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Oh, I have ALL the plays, for the entire game, and there are many more. but for openers, why not start with the drive that cost us the game. What say you about that series in which Hobbs was the most guilty party?
And, I dont know what I am talking about? Debunk that final drive and show me where Hobbs wasnt the main culprit, go ahead, show me.
And, for the record, and I amproud to say this, I will Always know more about this game than you ever will....from experience, and from common sense, and commonknowledge.... so when yuo say I dont now what I am talking about, guess again pal, because I probably have forgotten more than you will EVER know, or understand. There's a lot more to this game than just numbers.
I know this. I know that. I have the experience. I gave my sweat and blood to this team...Yada Yada Yada.
That's sweet.
That's nice.
You still don't know what you're talking about uncle Fester.
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1-10-IND20 (7:24) P.Manning pass short right to M.Harrison ran ob at IND 28 for 8 yards.
1-10-IND36 (6:30) P.Manning pass incomplete short right to M.Harrison (A.Samuel).
2-10-IND36 (6:23) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short left to R.Wayne to IND 49 for 13 yards (A.Hawkins, J.Sanders).
(This was Hobbs Cover, that he blew so the safeties had to make the stop) (HOBBS GIVES UP FIRST DOWN)
2-7-NE48 (5:11) P.Manning pass incomplete deep right to M.Harrison.
1-10-IND43 (1:41) (No Huddle, Shotgun) P.Manning pass short left to A.Moorehead pushed ob at NE 47 for 10 yards (E.Hobbs) (HOBBS GIVES UP FIRST DOWN)
2-8-IND26 (14:29) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short right to M.Harrison ran ob at IND 33 for 7 yards (A.Samuel).
2-8-IND49 (12:22) P.Manning pass short right to M.Harrison ran ob at NE 38 for 13 yards. (Samuel on the coverage)
2-5-NE33 (11:20) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass incomplete short middle to R.Wayne (A.Samuel).
2-6-NE17 (9:49) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short middle to A.Moorehead to NE 9 for 8 yards (E.Hobbs).(HOBBS GIVES UP FIRST DOWN)
2-7-NE19 (4:12) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass incomplete deep left to R.Wayne. PENALTY on NE-E.Hobbs, Defensive Pass Interference, 18 yards, enforced at NE 19 - No Play.
Also,notice that Samuel was the cover guy for Harrison all day long, not Hobbs, as you suggested to be the reason that Harrison had an off day.
"For all the hoopla over Samuel, and he played an outstanding game on Harrison (though he did misjudge what could’ve been a big deep ball in the second quarter), Hobbs was his equal on the other side. He consistently stuck with Wayne and made two plays that stand up as among the best the Patriots have had in the secondary all year long. There was a play over the middle in the third quarter, where Wayne shot across the middle, Hobbs stuck with him and reached around the receiver to bat the ball down. And the real big one came to prevent a touchdown — Wayne ran a post and Hobbs kept with him, then made an impossible play on the ball, leaping around Wayne to knock the ball away. It’s worth noting that Wayne made most of his plays out of the slot, away from Hobbs. And it’s worth emphasizing that if Samuel is gone, Hobbs is more than capable of becoming the team’s top corner."
Not that was he says HAS to be right but I'd put my money on him over NEM - not to mention that my own eyes agree with Breer.
"For all the hoopla over Samuel, and he played an outstanding game on Harrison (though he did misjudge what could’ve been a big deep ball in the second quarter), Hobbs was his equal on the other side. He consistently stuck with Wayne and made two plays that stand up as among the best the Patriots have had in the secondary all year long. There was a play over the middle in the third quarter, where Wayne shot across the middle, Hobbs stuck with him and reached around the receiver to bat the ball down. And the real big one came to prevent a touchdown — Wayne ran a post and Hobbs kept with him, then made an impossible play on the ball, leaping around Wayne to knock the ball away. It’s worth noting that Wayne made most of his plays out of the slot, away from Hobbs. And it’s worth emphasizing that if Samuel is gone, Hobbs is more than capable of becoming the team’s top corner."
Not that was he says HAS to be right but I'd put my money on him over NEM - not to mention that my own eyes agree with Breer.
I remember the play on Wayne's post well. Hobbs made some tremendous strides this year. He should be even better next, his second as a STARTER. A true example of the BB/Pioli ability to pluck sound players from the 3rd-7th rounds if there ever was one.
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The fact is they are undersized and get beat up on because of it..which is explains our buttload of injuries to our DB's every season. Especially when you lose an enforcer like Harrison frequently.. Big Physical Guys can wear them out easy...So by the 3rd 4th Qtr.. we get sloppy back there.
But to Me, CB isnt a position Belichick values enough to waste early picks or FA money on. Looks like he builds his D off of the front seven...if our D-line gets enough push to alarm a QB he will be off on his throw and allow our small athletic DB's to squeeze in tight spots and make a play.
Not by Hobbs. Hobbs even blew coverages on Moorehead, too.
YOu have got to be kidding with that comment. Un believable. Is that the best you can do.
Heres some play by play, right from the NFL gamebook.
And, there is alot more, like this, from earlier in the game in which Hobbs was beaten.
Heres the play by play of the winning drive...
THE WINNING DRIVE BY THE COLTS
1-10-IND20 (2:17) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short left to R.Wayne ran ob at IND 31 for 11 yards. (HOBBS ON THE COVER)
1-10-IND31 (2:12) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B.Fletcher (E.Alexander).
2-10-IND31 (2:08) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass deep left to B.Fletcher ran ob at NE 37 for 32 yards. (AGAIN, HOBSS WAS THE COVER MAN)
-10-NE37 (2:01) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short middle to R.Wayne to NE 23 for 14 yards (C.Scott, J.Sanders).
PENALTY on NE-T.Banta-Cain, Roughing the Passer, 12 yards, enforced at NE 23.
(On this play, Wayne was on the left side, covered by Hobbs, but when Wayne slanted inside, Hobbs was behind the receiver and Scott (Nickel) and Sanders had to make the stop. Hobbs was badly beaten inside.)
1-10-NE11 (1:53) J.Addai right tackle to NE 6 for 5 yards (M.Wright, M.Vrabel).
2-5-NE6 (1:10) J.Addai up the middle to NE 3 for 3 yards (V.Wilfork).
3-2-NE3 (1:02) J.Addai up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Also, you mentioned that Harrison was held down...thats true, but he was, for the most part, covered by Samuel, all day long.
On the Samuel interception to the right side, Harrison was the intended receiver.
2-7-IND31 (9:34) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short right intended for M.Harrison INTERCEPTED by A.Samuel at IND 39. A.Samuel for 39 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
They didnt throw to Harrison as often as they normally had done all season long because they knew that the weak corner was Hobbs, on the other side.
But, do me a favor, dont let these documented facts get in your way of saying that Hobbs did a great job.
Indianapolis Colts at 02:17
1-10-IND20 (2:17) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short left to R.Wayne ran ob at IND 31 for 11 yards.
1-10-IND31 (2:12) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass incomplete short middle to B.Fletcher (E.Alexander).
2-10-IND31 (2:08) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass deep left to B.Fletcher ran ob at NE 37 for 32 yards.
1-10-NE37 (2:01) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short middle to R.Wayne to NE 23 for 14 yards (C.Scott, J.Sanders). PENALTY on NE-T.Banta-Cain, Roughing the Passer, 12 yards, enforced at NE 23.
1-10-NE11 (1:53) J.Addai right tackle to NE 6 for 5 yards (M.Wright, M.Vrabel).
2-5-NE6 (1:10) J.Addai up the middle to NE 3 for 3 yards (V.Wilfork).
3-2-NE3 (1:02) J.Addai up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
A.Vinatieri extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Snow, Holder-H.Smith.
NE 34 IND 38, Plays: 7 Yards: 80 Possession: 1:17.
You make the claim that Hobbs was in coverage on specific plays and was the party giving up the yardage; well prove it NEM, don't just doctor the record and call it "fact." You see, other people can check the record for themselves, given your typical willingness to manufacture facts to support your fiction, it becomes an automatic to doubt you, justifiably in this case - again.
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2-10-IND31 (2:08) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass deep left to B.Fletcher ran ob at NE 37 for 32 yards. (AGAIN, HOBSS WAS THE COVER MAN)
Alexander was in coverage on this play. It has only been talked about 1000 times this past week - Peyton Manning has even talked about Fletcher telling him in the huddle that if they covered him with 52 they should run that route.
"For all the hoopla over Samuel, and he played an outstanding game on Harrison (though he did misjudge what could’ve been a big deep ball in the second quarter), Hobbs was his equal on the other side. He consistently stuck with Wayne and made two plays that stand up as among the best the Patriots have had in the secondary all year long. There was a play over the middle in the third quarter, where Wayne shot across the middle, Hobbs stuck with him and reached around the receiver to bat the ball down. And the real big one came to prevent a touchdown — Wayne ran a post and Hobbs kept with him, then made an impossible play on the ball, leaping around Wayne to knock the ball away. It’s worth noting that Wayne made most of his plays out of the slot, away from Hobbs. And it’s worth emphasizing that if Samuel is gone, Hobbs is more than capable of becoming the team’s top corner."
Not that was he says HAS to be right but I'd put my money on him over NEM - not to mention that my own eyes agree with Breer.
Belichick said on WEEI a few weeks ago "Ellis Hobbs is good for the NE Patriots". And that's after playing just his second season, and first full one, with his wrist in a cast the entire time. Potentially his best play on Sunday was negated by a phantom PI call to boot. Add to that his versatility (he was an absolute stud in the return game once BB said to hell with the cast) and I think regardless of what NEM chooses to believe Ellis III will be around as a starting corner for some time to come. Ellis is a little pit bull, and you know what they say - it's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog. Wish I could say the same for Asante, but he marches to a slightly different drummer.
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