3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining... - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Five Thoughts On Tebow
'13 NFL Previews Are In
Tebow at QB? No Way

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-22-2007, 03:25 PM   #1
PatsFans.com Supporter
 

Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,690
My Mood: Sad
Default 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Call this therapy but I still can't get this play out of my head... as bad as the team played, and it was bad, worst half of football in years, they could have won the game on this play.

The 5 yard penalty made it difficult but on the 3rd and 4 and am still surprised we didn't run the ball on this play. Call it Marty Ball but we would have forced the Colts to use their final timeout or allow the clock to tick to the 2 minute warning before punting... a 2-3 yard gain on 3rd down would have setup the possibility of a 4th and short, faced with a 4th and 1 it would have been really tempting to go for it knowing a first down would seal the victory... 4 and 4 was too much of a gamble...

Still bugs me..

Time to move on, the team over achieved in my opinion. AFC final is a solid showing, time to start reading about the draft...

New England - 3:22
1st-10, NE40 3:22 NE committed 5 yard penalty
1st-15, NE35 3:22 T. Brady passed to R. Caldwell to the right for 7 yard gain
2nd-8, NE42 2:39 T. Brady passed to B. Watson to the left for 4 yard gain
3rd-4, NE46 2:30 T. Brady incomplete pass to the right
4th-4, NE46 2:17 T. Sauerbrun punt, touchback
cstjohn17 is offline   Reply With Quote
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 01-22-2007, 03:28 PM   #2
In the Starting Line-up
 
Oswlek's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,390
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Quote:
Originally Posted by cstjohn17 View Post
Call this therapy but I still can't get this play out of my head... as bad as the team played, and it was bad, worst half of football in years, they could have won the game on this play.

The 5 yard penalty made it difficult but on the 3rd and 4 and am still surprised we didn't run the ball on this play. Call it Marty Ball but we would have forced the Colts to use their final timeout or allow the clock to tick to the 2 minute warning before punting... a 2-3 yard gain on 3rd down would have setup the possibility of a 4th and short, faced with a 4th and 1 it would have been really tempting to go for it knowing a first down would seal the victory... 4 and 4 was too much of a gamble...

Still bugs me..

Time to move on, the team over achieved in my opinion. AFC final is a solid showing, time to start reading about the draft...

New England - 3:22
1st-10, NE40 3:22 NE committed 5 yard penalty
1st-15, NE35 3:22 T. Brady passed to R. Caldwell to the right for 7 yard gain
2nd-8, NE42 2:39 T. Brady passed to B. Watson to the left for 4 yard gain
3rd-4, NE46 2:30 T. Brady incomplete pass to the right
4th-4, NE46 2:17 T. Sauerbrun punt, touchback
Based on health and production, about the only back that could have run with the ball was Heath Evans.

If Faulk were healthy he would have made a big difference on that drive and on the final one. But I could say the same damn thing about a dozen other guys.

When will the madness that is NE Patriot injuries cease?
Oswlek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 03:34 PM   #3
In the Starting Line-up
 
Brownfan80's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Discordia, Stuart FL
Posts: 3,305
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oswlek View Post
Based on health and production, about the only back that could have run with the ball was Heath Evans.

If Faulk were healthy he would have made a big difference on that drive and on the final one. But I could say the same damn thing about a dozen other guys.

When will the madness that is NE Patriot injuries cease?
That frickin' flu is as much to blame for the loss as are the Patriots mistakes and the Colts playing lights out in the second half.

Half the guys that we normally depend on to make plays were nowhere to be seen, either out with cramps or other flu related type things. You'd want to say that the cramps could come from hydration or the heat, but I'd like to think that our guys know a thing or two about hydration. And weather conditions don't usually get the best of our guys, especially in a damn dome!

Frickin' flu.
Brownfan80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 03:38 PM   #4
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 110
Send a message via AIM to Siddiqi
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Even if we run it and get no gain, it would have been a good play, we stopped the clock for no reason and helped the colts. The touchback also bothers me, this is where we really miss Josh Miller because he would have pinned the colts deep in their own territory instead of getting a touchback.
__________________
There is only the improbable, nothing is impossible
Siddiqi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 03:45 PM   #5
In the Starting Line-up
 
Brownfan80's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Discordia, Stuart FL
Posts: 3,305
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEM View Post
The play call and the setup was horrible. Why put your QB in the shotgun in that situation? Doing that takes the guesswork out of the minds of the defense and they know a pass is coming, and they can set their defense accordingly. McDaniels took half of the options out of the hands of Brady and gave all of the options to the Colt defense.

Going under center makes the defense think, is it a pass, is it a run, is it PA, could it be a rollout, anything at all..but in that damned shotgun in a crucial situation like that, McDaniels really showed his ignorance at play calling.

May as well have written an invitation to the Colts defense... Hey guys, we are gonna pass.

McDaniels has to go, plain and simple.

4 freakin yards Josh, 4 yards and the game is history in our favor. You piece of crap Josh, snot nosed little twerp.
And, Josh, Im gonna email you and let you know what I, and a lot of others, think of you. Stinking little crud.

Now, I'm done.
We'd run several draws and quick handoffs from that formation, so I'm not sure it took ALL the guesswork out of the defense, but yeah, that third and four play was horrid. Just... not what you'd want.
Brownfan80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 03:49 PM   #6
In the Starting Line-up
 
PatsFaninAZ's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,718
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

I know this is going to sound like blatent hindsight and almost insane, but given the way the game was going, I thought you could make an argument we were in 4 down territory there.

I honestly believed, and continue to believe, that trying to get those 4 yards in 2 downs was our best chance of winning. We weren't going to stop the colts on the last drive. We were absolutely gassed, and they would have had 4 downs to get 10 yards until they got in field goal range anyway.

Even if you don't convert on 4th down, the short field just seemed like no big deal. If anything, they might have scored more quickly and given us the ball back. I had no doubt that if we didn't make that 1st down, that they would be right back in that spot within seconds.
PatsFaninAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 03:50 PM   #7
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
ATippett56's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 8,075
My Mood: Grumpy
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Quote:
Originally Posted by cstjohn17 View Post
The 5 yard penalty made it difficult but on the 3rd and 4 and am still surprised we didn't run the ball on this play.
Heath Evans is worthless and I hope that clown will not be on the Patriots roster in 2007.
ATippett56 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 03:55 PM   #8
In the Starting Line-up
 
PatsFaninAZ's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,718
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Siddiqi View Post
Even if we run it and get no gain, it would have been a good play, we stopped the clock for no reason and helped the colts. The touchback also bothers me, this is where we really miss Josh Miller because he would have pinned the colts deep in their own territory instead of getting a touchback.
I don't know how much a run would have done with the clock. I think it would have just made a difference of 10 or 15 seconds since the 2 minute warning was coming anyway.
PatsFaninAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 03:56 PM   #9
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 
BlitzFritz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Section 239, West Corner Endzone
Posts: 717
My Mood: Relaxed
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatsFaninAZ View Post
I know this is going to sound like blatent hindsight and almost insane, but given the way the game was going, I thought you could make an argument we were in 4 down territory there.

I honestly believed, and continue to believe, that trying to get those 4 yards in 2 downs was our best chance of winning. We weren't going to stop the colts on the last drive. We were absolutely gassed, and they would have had 4 downs to get 10 yards until they got in field goal range anyway.

Even if you don't convert on 4th down, the short field just seemed like no big deal. If anything, they might have scored more quickly and given us the ball back. I had no doubt that if we didn't make that 1st down, that they would be right back in that spot within seconds.
I was thinking the same way abou this all day.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"If you counted out the Patriots, you just don't get it." Adam Schein, September 2008

“We are building a big, strong, fast, smart, tough and disciplined football team that. consistently competes for championships.” Guess who.
BlitzFritz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 04:00 PM   #10
In the Starting Line-up
 
Brownfan80's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Discordia, Stuart FL
Posts: 3,305
Default Re: 3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEM View Post
They really dont look deep enough to see that, for the most part, from the latter stages of the 2nd quarter, till the end of the game, it was absolutely pitiful....totally horrid.
The offense came up short. But so did the defense. I doubt Pees or McDaniels or the players for each coordinator are very happy about their units performances in the second half.


The team caved, it wasn't just the offense.

At the end of the first half and start of the second half the defense was on the field for nearly 30 straight plays. That was their own fault for not getting off the field. The offense didn't help when they went three and out the first time they got the ball back, but the defense let them sit so long that their rythm was gone. The defense had as much to do with this loss as the offense, if not more. They gutted it out, but just came up short. It's a rough one.
Brownfan80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC