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Old 01-20-2007, 05:10 PM   #11
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Not a touching by an ineligible receiver if QB is in act of spiking the ball
Yes doesn't kill clock.
Not sure about that, if he throws a pass and it hits the center before its the ground, it should be ineligible touch. I could be wrong though.
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Old 01-20-2007, 05:22 PM   #12
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Not sure about that, if he throws a pass and it hits the center before its the ground, it should be ineligible touch. I could be wrong though.
Brady did it once and it was still considered a spiked ball.
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Brady did it once and it was still considered a spiked ball.
Ok, did the ref not see it or did he state "since the QB was in the act of spiking the ball, its not considered an ineligible touch"?
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Ok, did the ref not see it or did he state "since the QB was in the act of spiking the ball, its not considered an ineligible touch"?
Here is explanation (2004) from former NFL ref Jerry Markbreit

"Under a new interpretation regarding legally spiking the ball to stop the clock, the illegal touching rule is waived if the ball hits a lineman's leg on the way to the ground. Under the old rule, this would have been illegal touching of a forward pass, resulting in a five-yard penalty from the previous line of scrimmage and no 10-second runoff would have been assessed. The clock would have started on the snap, as it did in your play."
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Old 01-20-2007, 05:33 PM   #15
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NFL Rules Book

Rule 8 Section 3 Article 1

Section 3 Fouls on Passing and Enforcement

Article 1 Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a chance of completion.

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Note 3: A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if immediately upon receiving the snap he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly forward toward the ground.
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NFL Rules Book

Rule 8 Section 3 Article 1

Section 3 Fouls on Passing and Enforcement

Article 1 Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a chance of completion.

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Note 3: A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if immediately upon receiving the snap he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly forward toward the ground.
And note the "under center" part, that's what keeps a holder from spiking the ball on a bad snap during a FG attempt.
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What happens if when the QB is trying to spike the football it hits the
Center's ankle before hitting the ground and the opposing DT jumps on it

Why spike instead of kneeling?

Spiking is a "pass" play that stops the clock. Kneeling is a "run" play and the clock would continue to run.
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The NFL has a special ruling built in to the grounding rule to allow the spike, which, BTW, I think is ridiculous....because as you said...THAT IS GROUNDING THE BALL....
Are you sure about this?

Intentional grounding is throwing the ball away to avoid a sack. Spiking is not throwing the ball away to avoid a sack and therefore not intentional grounding.

The only special rule I know of is the one that allows intentional grounding outside the tackle box.

There is no big deal aobut spiking and allowing it is not ridiculous. The NFL couldn't stop it. All the QB has to do is take the snap and fling the ball out of bounds along the LOS. Ball will travel over the heads of a TE and WR and be legal.
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