Oswlek

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/

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unoriginal

Do you mean this?

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/arc...and_felger.php

PatsWickedPissah

Great fisking of Borges & Felgie. Freakin' hilarious!
And now I realize where many of the half-assed topics posted here come from.
Pats fans, you gots to STOP listening to these guys on the radio!

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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck." RAH

Oswlek

When Felger's started his ESPN gig I liked it enough to listen for at least an hour every day. I haven't listened to it for at a year or more, though.

PatsWickedPissah

Oh, and please don't use Boobs in a subject heading again. I was all excited clicking on it.

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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck." RAH

Oswlek

I figured the word "flatulent" directly preceeding would eliminate the natural arousal.

Joker

Again....just another fantastic example of how hateful,spiteful and full of envious animosity these two cretins are. I ran into Borges a couple of years ago in a restaurant off Boyleston St. He's got this rep as a former master of the pugilistic arts...in other words, he fancies himself a tough guy. I don't know what the matter was with him that night but I deliberately elbowed him at the bar and then turned and said "hey, I know who you are...you're that scumbag Globe reporter that's always lying about the Patriots"...he backed down like a scared little girl, paid his tab and left. The best thing was the bartender later on told me he was a skinflint....left change on a 50 dollar bar tab.

I just wish he would have swung on me.

Return of the Nizz

Funny of course, but some of the mathematical conclusions of the hypothesis are a little shaky, ie the percentage of unsuccesful attempts. Obviously every time you go on fourth down you plan on making it.

Also, the raw numbers aren't very meaningful without context. What were the situations/field positions of 2005 compared to 2006. Not trying to rain on the Borges/Felger bashing because they're complete tools, but the premise of the article is so-so.

sieglo

Yeah, Felger was on this afternoon actually responding to this article directly and trying to justify himself. It was friggin lame.... Basically, he was backpedaling and excuse making.

Oswlek

I agree that the line "the Patriots actually accepted a higher percentage of failed 4th downs with Adam Vinatieri than they did with Stephen Gostkowski" is a little misleading, but the premise is sound IMHO. I would be willing to be that every single one of the 4th down attempts fell within 3 categories

1) late game, losing, no other choice.
2) Too far to go for a FG and too close to punt
3) 4th and 1 or 2 from the opposing side (or maybe from the NE 40 on)

I will admit that it seemed that NE tried for a few first downs from the 20-30 that they may have tried with Adam, but I don't think it is a significant amount.