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Old 12-21-2006, 01:37 PM   #1
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Just a couple of brief thoughts that might encourage some discussion.

1. Perhaps the most DISAPPOINTING aspect of the Pats game this season has been the play of the OL. Its not that they have sucked this year, but the OL has FINALLY gotten some real talent, yet for the first time in this run the OL ISN'T better than the sum of its parts. Its OK, but I felt that it would be a LOT better than just OK.

2. Is there a team with more than 14 guys on the IR? I guess there might be but not many, nor not much more. Come on guys, this is like the 4th season in a row where the Pats are among the biggest losers to injuries. At this point I have to think its systemic. Any thoughts or suggestions??

3. I'm really torn this week by 2 entirely different looks at this game against the Jags. One (spouted by most of the media) states that the Jags 2 very good corners will take away our WRs, crowd the LOS to stop the run, which will be very difficult anyway because of the great DT's the Jags have, and keep us out of the endzone. Sounds very reasonable.

On the other hand, courtesy of Michael Holly, he opines that the Jags of 2006 ARE NOT as good as the team that came here last December and lost in a 28-3 game (the Jags have lost some very good players to injury as well like Peterson and Taylor) and the Pats, despite their injuries are in better shape than they were back then (although we are worse at WR, we are much better off on the OL, RB, and DB that we were last Jan).

Another thing Holley mentioned was fairly simple but right on point. Even if the Jags DO stop our running game, what has been our strength this entire year. We have been very successfull at stopping the run as well. So if winning the game is dependant at how successful your QB is in throwing the ball, who would you rather have, David Garrard, or Tom Brady???

Holley made me feel a lot better about this game.
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Old 12-21-2006, 01:45 PM   #2
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About damn time

OL has been dissapointing. This is the group we're so thrilled to have signed long term - well they need to start playing better both against the run and the pass. But especially the run, we've had too many losses on runs for my liking.

Injuries, I still maintain most of them have been things that we can't do anything about. Torn ACL, broken bones. Just shake your head and move on.

Jags - I agree with Holley except I'm not sure if we'll stop the run as easily as he thinks if Vince isn't playing. That's the one wildcard that could lose the game for us (other than the obvious - turnovers).
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Old 12-21-2006, 01:50 PM   #3
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I don't want to sound like a broken record, but it seems to me the running game has an awful lot of negative plays generated against it. Other wise the running game is awesome by and large. And these negative plays come from teams run blitzing and gambling to get a defender into the backfield before or concurrent with the handoff, and before the RB can get up to speed.

The cure is as old as football, a lead blocking FB, to take the backfield gambler out, or to meet a gambler S in the hole, at the point of attack and clear him so the RB can cut behind the block.

The WHAM TE that we rely on, is often not in position to make these plays.
A single run loss of 3-4 yards can result in killing a ground oriented drive.

With his limitations do you think Evans has improved enough in both size, and blocking technique, to get the job done yet?
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On the Jags injury front they lost Peterson and Darius for the season. Taylor appears to be out for this game. Stroud has battled lingering injuries all season. They have had their share of booboo's.
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I agree with your analysis about the offensive line. I thought it was our deepest, most talented OL in the Belichick era but they just haven't been consistent. Kaczur has not played as well as last year but I believe his injuries are hampering him.

Having 8 men in the box all the time and Brady holding onto the ball longer than normal hasn't helped either.

Lack of WR that can demand safety help hurts every part of the offense.
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i agree the OL has had some bad games, bad plays. overall they are still a B to B+. i hate to sounds like he that shall not be mentioned, but when our play calling gets obvious, the run blitzs and pass blitzes have hurt us. and our WR sometimes cant get open on their own, so we cant keep the TE and RBs in to block, like we did in years past, right?

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I don't want to sound like a broken record, but it seems to me the running game has an awful lot of negative plays generated against it. Other wise the running game is awesome by and large. And these negative plays come from teams run blitzing and gambling to get a defender into the backfield before or concurrent with the handoff, and before the RB can get up to speed.

The cure is as old as football, a lead blocking FB, to take the backfield gambler out, or to meet a gambler S in the hole, at the point of attack and clear him so the RB can cut behind the block.

The WHAM TE that we rely on, is often not in position to make these plays.
A single run loss of 3-4 yards can result in killing a ground oriented drive.

With his limitations do you think Evans has improved enough in both size, and blocking technique, to get the job done yet?
Amen, and Hallelujah. My 2 pet peeves with the offense are: 1) Empty backfield formations, unless in very obvious passing situations; and 2) One-back formations in running situations. Dillon did his best work in Cincinnati when Lorenzo Neal was in front of him. Evans is no Neal, but I watch him every time he is in the backfield, and he almost always neutralizes his man. Sometimes the key to a successful running play is to make that first defender miss, thanks to your FB; the RB can then gain some momentum and better utilize his ability in a more-open field. More 2-back sets, coach, m'kay? Pretty please?
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Fred Taylor came up gimpy on a long run last sunday and the Jags turned to Drew-Jones who looks like a hard tough back to tackle. The good news is that he looked beat up at the end of the game and had to go to the sidelines a couple of times for a break. The Jags lost a game they should have won because of turnovers. Gerrard is not a QB that the Jags want to depend on to win the game with his arm. But they have some big, tall WR's that are plenty physical.

If the Pats get some good hard shots on Drew-Jones in the early parts of the game, he might not have a lot in the tank in the 2nd half and they will resort to throwing. With our short CB's and Safety's, I would expect Gerrard to throw a few up there for the WR's to out-jump our DB's similar to the way Grossman did against us in the Chicago game.

They are a physical team but have some holes like us due to injury. It will be a desperate team out there and they know losing is guarenteeing no playoffs. However, its a game the Pats can win. We beat them up pretty good last year in the playoffs last year and I don't think they are nearly as good as they were a year ago.
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I thought Evans was a decent blocker,but I admit hat I miss some of the blocking schemes during a game unless I'm focused on one or two players,curious to know the thoughts of other posters on Heath Evans as a fullback and a blocker....
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Amen, and Hallelujah. My 2 pet peeves with the offense are: 1) Empty backfield formations, unless in very obvious passing situations; and 2) One-back formations in running situations. Dillon did his best work in Cincinnati when Lorenzo Neal was in front of him. Evans is no Neal, but I watch him every time he is in the backfield, and he almost always neutralizes his man. Sometimes the key to a successful running play is to make that first defender miss, thanks to your FB; the RB can then gain some momentum and better utilize his ability in a more-open field. More 2-back sets, coach, m'kay? Pretty please?
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Thanx for the confirmation of my opinion.

My opinion of viewing Evans current blocking mostly in blitz pickup (there's almost nothing else to see), looks like he has improved dramatically at that learned skill. Unlike running skills which you have or don't, blocking can be learned; I just don't know if he is good enough, but maybe we need to use Hochstein or even Graham lined up at the FB position.

Your comments about empty backfields are right on too.
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