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AzPatsFan · 10-10-2006, 01:48 PM

The Pats have had a problem integrating new receivers into their Offense. It is also making Tom Brady very tentative in his throws, ruining his accuracy and confidence at the margin.

The problem is the optional route running that is part and parcel of their passing game philosophy. This means that depending on what the receiver and the QB sees, the route is supposed to change in mid play. The problem is that the receivers are not picking up the same cues, and sometimes do and sometimes don't, change the route that they run.

Tom Brady sees what they see, and would be expected to throw the ball expecting them to change routes but no longer is he sure that they will do so. If he throw for a break left, and the receiver goes right, then there is the possibility of a INT. If there is a blitz and the receiver is supposed to break off a route and Brady throws short expecting this, if they don't, then there is a possibility of not only and INT, but an INT returned for a score.

In short, Brady is unsure waht his new receivers are going to do. Consequently, he is compensating by holding the throw a bit to see what happens and is throwing "late" or "aiming" the ball and trying to change direction possibly in the midst of his throw. Obviously this leads to some bad throws.

It will either take time and practice without changing the philosophy, or there is a coaching decison to be made. The coaches have to decide to stop optional routes either permanently, or for enough time to let everyone, especially Brady to regain confidence that he knows where the receiver is going to be.

In your opinion what should the Patriots do???

***BelichickFan*** · 10-10-2006, 02:06 PM

I agree with what you said and I vote to just keep at it. We have 12 weeks until the playoffs and are blessed with a forgiving division. Keep plugging along, come playoff time we'll have enough cohesion between the QB and the WR.

***DarrylS*** · 10-10-2006, 02:16 PM

One of the better analysis of what is going on, Smerlas was talking yesterday how Brady is picking up the blitzes the WR's are not with the exception of Troy Brown. Consequently the rush is very effective at disrupting his rhythm and timing.. it is not translating into a lot of sacks, but lots of batted balls and hurries.

Not sure if Caldwell, Gabriel and Jackson will have the aptitude to grasp the subtleties of this offense..I would think by week 5 Caldwell and Jackson would have somewhat of a clue, but have not shown it on the field. But I keep hearing it will take time and maybe it will, I do not see a major problem right now it this stuff was translating in to Brady getting sacked, beat up or interceptions would think it would be a more significant problem. I also think our run game suffers as it did last week because of this, as the safeties can focus on the run more. Keep hearing it will get better, suspect by the Buffalo, Vikes or Colts game might start seeing some results, if not then I might worry more.

In the meantime we have come up with four wins at the bye, and there is every indication that this team will become better.

PonyExpress · 10-10-2006, 02:22 PM

I'm not sure sight adjustments are as big a part of the offensive problems as is being portrayed. BB himself said yesterday that in 30 pass plays per game, 3 to 4 sight adjustments are a high amount, usually its less in this offense. He said that the real problem is that the timing is off between Brady and the wide outs. For example, if a 15 yard out is the pattern, Brady and the WR have a timing set in their heads. But right now, the receivers are being pressed at the LOS because the Pats can't exploit the field vertically. As a result, the timing is off on the route. A veteran receiver, such as Troy Brown, knows that the timing takes priority, and cuts the route off at 12 or 13 or 14 yards depending on the press, and Brady changes the pass to 12, 13 or 14 based on the same factor. If Brady doesn't know when the receiver will cut, or isn't confident, then he fears the DB will cut in front and he'll throw a pick 6. Therefore the problem is (1) absence of a deep threat to lessen the press coverage. This is a factor of Brady's inaccuracy on the deep ball. (2) the correct timing adjustments between QB and receiver based on the press coverage. Bottom line: Brady needs to hit some deep passes to WRs, and Brady and the WRs need to keep practicing. They will get it soon enough.

5 Rings for Brady!! · 10-10-2006, 02:26 PM

They have to use this bi-week for all it's worth. The passing game is the number one concern on the team right now. We do not need another 'starting' WR. We need Brady and the boys to get used to each other. And Jackson to get on the field more.

But I do think some of the problem is that Brady is going to have to get used to the fact that the WRs will be out of position several times a game. I think that Brady needs to do a better job in just 'winging' the ball to the guy that is open, regardless of whether the guy is in exactly the right spot or not.

I think Brady needs to loosen up and improvise a little, because these WRs are simply not going to be exactly where Branch or Givens would have been on any given play. Timing routes only work if the WR makes them work, but you still need to deliver the ball somewhere. Brady is going to have to learn to over-compensate a little bit for the fact that his wideouts are just not on the same page as him right now.

Try to get on the same page, coach up the WRs, but then Brady still is responsible for throwing the ball to somebody, at the end of the day, regardless of whether the WR ran the route to perfection or not. I'm not suggesting throwing risky picks, but throwing darts with accuracy to whoever appears to be open, regardless of what route they ran, correct or not. He will need to read the field more than ever.

Brady is simply not going to have the security of proper option routes at times this year, and he is going to have to make up some of the difference himself. This will be his most challenging year as a QB since 2001, maybe more so.

I think it'll look a lot better as the season goes on.

Brownfan80 · 10-10-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

I'm not sure sight adjustments are as big a part of the offensive problems as is being portrayed. BB himself said yesterday that in 30 pass plays per game, 3 to 4 sight adjustments are a high amount, usually its less in this offense. He said that the real problem is that the timing is off between Brady and the wide outs. For example, if a 15 yard out is the pattern, Brady and the WR have a timing set in their heads. But right now, the receivers are being pressed at the LOS because the Pats can't exploit the field vertically. As a result, the timing is off on the route. A veteran receiver, such as Troy Brown, knows that the timing takes priority, and cuts the route off at 12 or 13 or 14 yards depending on the press, and Brady changes the pass to 12, 13 or 14 based on the same factor. If Brady doesn't know when the receiver will cut, or isn't confident, then he fears the DB will cut in front and he'll throw a pick 6. Therefore the problem is (1) absence of a deep threat to lessen the press coverage. This is a factor of Brady's inaccuracy on the deep ball. (2) the correct timing adjustments between QB and receiver based on the press coverage. Bottom line: Brady needs to hit some deep passes to WRs, and Brady and the WRs need to keep practicing. They will get it soon enough.

This is an awesome post, and if on target does indeed explain much of Brady's 'accuracy' problems this season.

AzPatsFan · 10-10-2006, 03:59 PM

ponyexpress,

Thank you. I should have made clear that the "route adjustments" are not just sight adjustments on changing the route but "changing the route" also includes getting open "on time",as scheduled.

One of the big knocks on Bethel was that he couldn't get the need to be some where "on time". It does little good to get open a second after Brady has checked on you said to himself "not open"; gone on to check the next receiver. The same is true if you get open a second or two early and when Brady checks you in his progressions, the DB has started to recover and is closing on you. Once again Brady says to himself "not open"; and goes on the next receiver.

PhilD · 10-10-2006, 04:08 PM

PonyExpress: top, top post. Grade-A analysis, backed up with some decent evidence from BB.

I'm just wondering when we'll start hearing that the problem with the passing game playbook philosophy is the absence of slants and crossing routes, and an "insane" offensive coordinator. Unfortunately, even quality analysis dies an unwarranted death amongst polemic and exaggeration.

Edit: having just thought a little more, does anyone remember the article around training camp where Brady was talking about trying to improve his deep ball? He talked about finishing the throw with the throwing arm completing its motion to the left hip, so that the ball dropped almost vertically on a spot, rather than sailing on a more regular trajectory, which is what happens if he sort of flicks it out there. Two points here. Firstly, dropping the ball on a spot narrows the potential range a WR has to catch the football. This increases the accuracy Tom needs to have to be able to place the ball on a precise spot, and consequently makes it harder to hit the wideout in stride. In short, it needs to be a more perfectly thrown ball. Secondly, my quaterback mechanics isn't that hot, but completing the throw fully puts more force through the ball, which probably tends towards an overthrow rather than an underthrow, especially if the throwing action isn't perfect, and assuming that the effect of dropping the ball more vertically and the length of the throw are to some degree separable.

PonyExpress · 10-10-2006, 04:38 PM

I wish I could take credit for the analysis in my post, but it came almost verbatim from the horse's mouth. Here is the audio of the Oct. 9th interview (Click on the "Big Show", and "Coffee with the Coach"): http://rope.weei-am.fimc.net/podzinger.htm

Brownfan80 · 10-10-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

I wish I could take credit for the analysis in my post, but that would be bullcrap; it came almost verbatim from the horse's mouth. Here is the audio of the Oct. 9th interview (Click on the "Big Show", and "Coffee with the Coach"): http://rope.weei-am.fimc.net/podzinger.htm

Ahhhhhh, well that explains why it seemed there was so much truth to it.