Our offense is so predictable at this point - New England Patriots Forums

PATRIOT64 · 10-08-2006, 07:54 PM

If teams who actually have decent defensive lines especially teams with good and big nose tackles on teams like Miami,Denver,Chicago ect: all realize at this time the playbook on the offense of the New England Patriots is very predictable and easy to beat by loading up the box with 6-8 guys leaving our receivers 1 on 1 and that is the recipe to stop the run and put pressure on Brady to throw to less than average receivers which is what it is at this point in the season and will tend to make NE struggle to score points thus a better chance to beat the Patriots.

I love and breathe the Patriots as much as any Pats fan here but the playbook right now simply sucks and our receivers are still not connecting with Brady and now 5 weeks into the season,Brady to Gabriel today was like 1 out of 8 completions,even short yard out passes were flat incomplete.

I don't know how many weeks the 'Homies' on here expect the receivers and QB to have time to gel - It appears its not gonna happen anytime soon unless we either trade for a well known good receiver who can learn our system FAST or we just play mediocre to bad defensive teams this year who are bad against the run to get our wins which has been the result so far.

You gotta wonder as the season progresses if Brady will actually get a 300 yard game this year,He truly needs one like that to open our eyes against the fact that we can't win with just a great running game at times-we need both parts to compliment each other,this team is in need of that badly - Let's face it,Brady is the best QB in the league but he is no magician-He can't pull a rabbit out of a hat when the hat is empty,he needs much more help from the receivers which I have yet to see.

If you are an opposing team and have a decent to great offense AND completely slow down the Patriots run game you will beat the Patriots 95% of the time the way it looks so far,Only Denver qualified as that team that could put that all together,Until we face Chicago in a few weeks - Boy am I glad we have a ridiculous easy overall schedule of teams that are poor against the run to play this year,otherwise we would be in great danger of losing the season which is not likely as the division title is a gimme at this time unless we lose both Brady and Seymour.

Miami's whole offense is much worse than ours that is why a 200 yard offensive day by us was a winning result which is an EXTREMELY RARE EVENT,it simply does not happen often like that in Pro Football-200 yd offensive performances usually end in a loss-we were lucky it was Miami we played today.

However on the brighter and positive side of things,we are 4-1 which is very good and a bye week even better,Brady and his receivers need all 13 days to prepare for the rest of the season to get thier act together,I hope I am wrong but see nothing remotely close to say its gonna get much better,Last week against Cincy the running game covered our deficiencies in the passing game,Today it reared as UGLY as possible for a winning team's offensive unit.

BradyManny · 10-08-2006, 08:07 PM

Call me a homer, but I think Chad Jackson is going to make a big difference in the offense in the 2nd half of the season. Even though he didn't make a catch today and the 2 catches he made in the Cincy game were in garbage time, I've noticed that when he is in on a pass play, someone happens to get open. Which isn't happening as much as when he's not on the field. Anyone else seeing this?

oldrover · 10-08-2006, 08:10 PM

FYI: Brady's already had a 300-yd game this year. Against Denver, no less.

edgecy · 10-08-2006, 08:11 PM

Frankly, I am done with the Chad Jackson hype.

SVN · 10-08-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by edgecy

Frankly, I am done with the Chad Jackson hype.

Exactly...i keep hearing , why he is not in the game and and people jumping off their seats when he is active...frankly..he hasnt done much and i dont look at him as a saviour or anything...if he was good enough right now he would be seeing more snaps than gabriel..for whatever reason everyone is high on this guy just because of his college exploits and mini camp performance...

***mgteich*** · 10-08-2006, 08:18 PM

IMHO, the two that will improve the most are Gabriel and Caldwell. We don't need more than Gabriel, Caldwell and Brown as wide receivers, as long as we have Faulk and the TE's to throw to also. Jackson may or may not be a significant factor in the second half.

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Originally Posted by BradyManny2344

Call me a homer, but I think Chad Jackson is going to make a big difference in the offense in the 2nd half of the season. Even though he didn't make a catch today and the 2 catches he made in the Cincy game were in garbage time, I've noticed that when he is in on a pass play, someone happens to get open. Which isn't happening as much as when he's not on the field. Anyone else seeing this?

BradyManny · 10-08-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by edgecy

Frankly, I am done with the Chad Jackson hype.

LOL. I bet you were done w/ Santana Moss, too. Or Chad Johnson. Get a little perspective pal:

Chad Jackson: unrealistic expectations?

RayClay · 10-08-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PATRIOT64

If teams who actually have decent defensive lines especially teams with good and big nose tackles on teams like Miami,Denver,Chicago ect: all realize at this time the playbook on the offense of the New England Patriots is very predictable and easy to beat by loading up the box with 6-8 guys leaving our receivers 1 on 1 and that is the recipe to stop the run and put pressure on Brady to throw to less than average receivers which is what it is at this point in the season and will tend to make NE struggle to score points thus a better chance to beat the Patriots.

I love and breathe the Patriots as much as any Pats fan here but the playbook right now simply sucks and our receivers are still not connecting with Brady and now 5 weeks into the season,Brady to Gabriel today was like 1 out of 8 completions,even short yard out passes were flat incomplete.

I don't know how many weeks the 'Homies' on here expect the receivers and QB to have time to gel - It appears its not gonna happen anytime soon unless we either trade for a well known good receiver who can learn our system FAST or we just play mediocre to bad defensive teams this year who are bad against the run to get our wins which has been the result so far.

You gotta wonder as the season progresses if Brady will actually get a 300 yard game this year,He truly needs one like that to open our eyes against the fact that we can't win with just a great running game at times-we need both parts to compliment each other,this team is in need of that badly - Let's face it,Brady is the best QB in the league but he is no magician-He can't pull a rabbit out of a hat when the hat is empty,he needs much more help from the receivers which I have yet to see.

If you are an opposing team and have a decent to great offense AND completely slow down the Patriots run game you will beat the Patriots 95% of the time the way it looks so far,Only Denver qualified as that team that could put that all together,Until we face Chicago in a few weeks - Boy am I glad we have a ridiculous easy overall schedule of teams that are poor against the run to play this year,otherwise we would be in great danger of losing the season which is not likely as the division title is a gimme at this time unless we lose both Brady and Seymour.

Miami's whole offense is much worse than ours that is why a 200 yard offensive day by us was a winning result which is an EXTREMELY RARE EVENT,it simply does not happen often like that in Pro Football-200 yd offensive performances usually end in a loss-we were lucky it was Miami we played today.

However on the brighter and positive side of things,we are 4-1 which is very good and a bye week even better,Brady and his receivers need all 13 days to prepare for the rest of the season to get thier act together,I hope I am wrong but see nothing remotely close to say its gonna get much better,Last week against Cincy the running game covered our deficiencies in the passing game,Today it reared as UGLY as possible for a winning team's offensive unit.

Brady passed for over 300 yds. vs. Denver. That shows how meaningless that statistic is.

The reason he had so many yards last year is all our running backs were injured. I'll guarantee you we have a much better balanced attack this year when it counts.

Total yards are meaningless. Did we move the ball and score when we needed to? Did Miami? We won by ten and kneeled with first and goal on the one.

Maroney, Dillon, Faulk,Watson, Graham, Thomas, Evans and maybe Mills. That's a lot of weapons to incorporate. Add three new receivers and Troy Brown and tell me we don't have weapons?

I imagine you've watched us struggle early and win Super Bowls with much less talent on offense.

Why not learn from the past instead of the same nervous Nellie stuff every time a team comes within 20 points of us?

4-1. 3 division wins. So much talent on offense we can't figure how to use it all yet. And a bye week to work out the kinks.

We're not built for fantasy yardage crowns here.

The one who might have to worry is Peyton. Just sliding by this time of year is not a good omen for those front runners.

BradyManny · 10-08-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

IMHO, the two that will improve the most are Gabriel and Caldwell. We don't need more than Gabriel, Caldwell and Brown as wide receivers, as long as we have Faulk and the TE's to throw to also. Jackson may or may not be a significant factor in the second half.

Caldwell doesn't seem to be able to get open save for some good short routes for first downs. I can see him becoming a Givens type, a good guy to look to on 3rd and short passes.

But CJ, whether at the end of this year or however long it takes for wide receivers to develop, he's going to be nasty.

PATRIOT64 · 10-08-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by edgecy

Frankly, I am done with the Chad Jackson hype.

I believe Chad Jackson was wide open on a Brady pass today thrown to him..I think this was the only play he was in and the only one he got a chance to grab and he dropped it,no excuse there,it appeared to be an easy catch..We can not count on him being a factor this year with the spot duty they are giving him..If you are expecting Chad to even come remotely close to resembling a break away game threat save your hopes for next year -Obviously BB and staff think this is a learning year for him as maybe he is a bit immature or lazy in practice to put him in there more-That is what it looks like to me,otherwise he would be in there more - Those who are expecting anywhere near a 100 yard game from Chad this year are as big a 'Homie' as you can get - Gabriel,Troy and Reche will be receivers 1 2 3 with Watson getting more receptions the more we proceed into the season unless we trade somehow with another team to get someone else which looks very unlikely,Chad will be lucky to see 300 yards in his rookie season the way it looks now unless one of the top 3 get hurt.