feelthepain

It seems clear Tom isn't having the success he's enjoyed the last five years, at least early this season.

My question is to all those Pat fans that think Tom Brady was 90% responsible for the SB success of the past three SB's and labling him one of the best QB's ever, he seems quite normal and not very spectacular so far this season which leads me to believe it was more about the Pats as a team that won three SB's and not "God ol Brady".

As I've stated in previous threads, Brady was an important part of those SB's, but not any more important then any other part of the Pats "TEAM". There is no way Brady will ever be half the QB Dan Marino was and if Brady had to suffer through the years and teams Marino had Brady would not only never reach one single milestone Marino reached, but most definately never have a single SB.

Now before you people start crying, and looking to sling insults this thread was not intended to do so, it was intended to prove without the caliber of caoching and talent that Brady has had the fortune to have around him and the fans have had the pleasure of watching there would be no SB's rings in NE.

There are some fans here that are reasonable enough to understand that it took an entire team effort to win three SB's in 5 years, but they are few and far between. I still think the Pats are the best team in the division....for the moment, but I also believe the division is up for grabs. NE could very well turn it all around and start to pull away and win the division with ease, but they could also continue down this path of just plain average.

So before you Pat fans get your panties in a knot and think this was a smack thread, it's not! It's just a thread to say Football is a team sport and anyone here who thinks Brady was the main reason for the success in NE the last five seasons you should be shot as football fans, because there were a whole lotta good football players that played in NE the last five years that are getting little respect for their efforts. The reason Peyton Manning hasn't won a SB yet is because his entire team isn't good enough to win it all, it sure isn't because Peyton isn't good enough.

zippo59

If anything I think Brady's struggles have proved how important he is to this team's success. Brady has not played very well the first three games, as a result the whole team has not played well and has only eeked out victories against two poor teams while getting wacked by a decent one.

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the taildragger

your boy would've gone 5-11 with the '01 Pats, much less won the SB.

last night proves what we've always known, if TB stinks up the joint (for whatever reason) we have ZERO chance...it only reinforces his value.

if you have any other impression of his worth to this team you are truly ignorant...though this is probably just a matter of Marino being your childhood hero or something. Personally, I think the guy was a great QB, which might put me in the minority on this board, but no way I'd replace the guy we have right now for anyone.

feelthepain

See here's where I disagree, you have to have the talent around you to have success. The Pats can't continue to be the team with the most cap space and expect to win year in and year out. The Pats had a good thing with the players they had, they were very underated players, the more the Pats win the more money the players want!! It's a fair conclusion!! If you refuse to pay players and think you will continue to win SB's, it aint gonna happen.

BB is probably one the best in the business at spotting raw talent, but you can't expect that to work year in year out. Continuity has to count for something, if you let players build a relationship with each other especially on the O and then get rid of them, it will hurt your chances of success. Brady looks very angry and disappointed right now, and he should. I would say Brady's most defining characteristic in his ability to win on such a high level is his competeivness, hands down. He can't compete if he doesn't have the talent around him and it could break him, I don't meen to sound so dramtic, but it's important to Brady's success, IMO.

feelthepain

I disagree with this as well, it's a matter of adjusting your game plan to fit your strengths, right now your strength isn't throwing the ball. Against Buffalo you won because you ran the ball and made D adjustments at the half. If you continue to put the game in Brady's hands you will continue to lose, not because Brady isn't good enough, but because people don't respect your receivers!! Which in turn means teams will put more pressure on Brady and he will take more punishment.

DocAdkinsDiet

Because our running game looked awesome last night.

DocAdkinsDiet

What we are missing is that Antwan Smith running game from the first Super Bowl. Cause that was really winning us games that year.

Va_Pats_Fan

The Pats are 2 and 1, and Brady is 11th on the passing chart for yards. We have no recievers on the top 25, so whats your point? Honestly, looking at the history of the pats vs the broncs, all things fell into place.

Lets talk about this again in December when we have a much better sampling of whats happening.....

feelthepain

I don't think it looked awful, I think it needs to be the focus right now. Not every team will just roll over and let you win simply because you're the Pats. You in many ways have to work harder then the teams that no respects. So instead of thinking you have no running game you adjust your schemes and put more effort into it man on man. This is why I say the Pats could trun things around and win the division with ease, because BB adjusts well. The Pats have an extreme amount of talent in the running game. They need to adjust to become a run first team to set up the pass, they need to become the Pittsburgh Steelers, so to speak. Your D is good enough to win, your O is good enough to win, your philosophy and style aren't. 17 points only, to a very good Denver team?? That should have been a win last night for the Pats at home.

pats1

I (gulp) agree completely with you. After this customary adjustment period, the Pats "should" be right back to normal.

See:

2003 Weeks 1 and 4, vs. Buffalo and Washington.

2004 Week 1 - takes multiple cough-ups in the red zone for the Colts and a Vanderjagt missed FG for the Pats to win.

2005 Weeks 2 and 4 - nasty losses to Carolina and San Diego.