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Why are you so sure that the Jets offer is a ploy? Is that because you "predicted" that?
agreed.
think andy is reaching here.
no ploy, just know's branch's value as a player and would like to get him to go with coles.
see no cloak and dagger to this, and find the reasoning whimsicle to try and say it is.
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A shrewd team could offer him a ridiculous contract, then fail to give the trade bait, in order for him to think he can get more on the open market and refuse to resign here. If Mangini learned from the master, he will offer Branch everything he asked for, then offer the Pats a 4th for the trade, meaning there will be no trade, and Branchs future here is over. For 2006, this move is a good one, for beyond, its very risky.
I must say, that's very prescient.
Huh? It's not like anyone but the most obtuse could not see that the offer was bogus. How could a bogus, non-starter offer be effective?
For example, $50M with a $20M signing bonus and a 4th rounder for it. Yeah, like anyone (other than the idiot press and a few posters) would think that was real.
Not really because we don't know how much is guaranteed. Those numbers there don't tell us anything.,
If the Jets offer some ridiculous trade making it obvious it's just to drive up the price, that's not going to help Branch's negotiations. The Jets wouldn't even risk making a reasonable offer if that was their plan, because it could easily blow up in their face. They'd be risking alot more than the Pats.
I don't know the Jets cap situation but I'd be surprised if they could go much higher than the 11 million guaranteed the Pats offered. Either way, I doubt the Pats would trade him to the Jets.
Huh? It's not like anyone but the most obtuse could not see that the offer was bogus. How could a bogus, non-starter offer be effective?
For example, $50M with a $20M signing bonus and a 4th rounder for it. Yeah, like anyone (other than the idiot press and a few posters) would think that was real.
That's exactly what I wrote in another thread.
I was actually quoting AJ's post from last week, since I had called bull***** on him. He's made a lot of predictions of how this would end, but that was definitely one of them.
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Good post. If Mangini learned anything from Belichick, it would be not to offer frivolous contracts. What Belichick did one week ago was a means to an end. He opened the door for Deion, and he did it for a reason. Just look at the activity online right now - this matter must be resolved before too long or it will become a huge distraction.
I think you are missing my point, let me illiustrate.
1) Mangini knows that Deion Branch isnt going to be enough to make a difference and make the Jets a winner now, they are too far away.
2) Mangini knows draft picks are his most important asset, and huge contract to fragile WRs do not fit his plan.
3) Mangini knows the Pats are his competition.
4) Mangini DOESNT WANT BRANCH.
5) The Pats, to solve a contract impasse send Branch out on the market to prove their offer is a good one.
If you are Mangini, why WOULDNT YOU make him an offer you know the Pats wont match, and then just refuse to make the trade? Clearly Branch and his agent are going to place the blame on the Pats for demanding too much, and not bargaining in good faith.
Mangini isnt really offering a frivilous contract because he has ZERO INTENTION of ever executing it. All he has done is drive a wedge between Branch and the Pats at absolutely no risk to himself.
I think you are missing my point, let me illiustrate.
1) Mangini knows that Deion Branch isnt going to be enough to make a difference and make the Jets a winner now, they are too far away.
2) Mangini knows draft picks are his most important asset, and huge contract to fragile WRs do not fit his plan.
3) Mangini knows the Pats are his competition.
4) Mangini DOESNT WANT BRANCH.
5) The Pats, to solve a contract impasse send Branch out on the market to prove their offer is a good one.
If you are Mangini, why WOULDNT YOU make him an offer you know the Pats wont match, and then just refuse to make the trade? Clearly Branch and his agent are going to place the blame on the Pats for demanding too much, and not bargaining in good faith.
Mangini isnt really offering a frivilous contract because he has ZERO INTENTION of ever executing it. All he has done is drive a wedge between Branch and the Pats at absolutely no risk to himself.
And only Borges and a few others who just fell out of the pumpkin truck would fail to see this as a ploy with no reality and no value.
I think you are missing my point, let me illiustrate.
1) Mangini knows that Deion Branch isnt going to be enough to make a difference and make the Jets a winner now, they are too far away.
2) Mangini knows draft picks are his most important asset, and huge contract to fragile WRs do not fit his plan.
3) Mangini knows the Pats are his competition.
4) Mangini DOESNT WANT BRANCH.
5) The Pats, to solve a contract impasse send Branch out on the market to prove their offer is a good one.
If you are Mangini, why WOULDNT YOU make him an offer you know the Pats wont match, and then just refuse to make the trade? Clearly Branch and his agent are going to place the blame on the Pats for demanding too much, and not bargaining in good faith.
Mangini isnt really offering a frivilous contract because he has ZERO INTENTION of ever executing it. All he has done is drive a wedge between Branch and the Pats at absolutely no risk to himself.
True, but if you can't get much better yourself, you can even the playing field by weakening your prime competition. Mangini getting Branch hurts the Pats and helps the Jets. The big winner in this trade, realistically, would be the Dolphins.
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agreed.
think andy is reaching here.
no ploy, just know's branch's value as a player and would like to get him to go with coles.
see no cloak and dagger to this, and find the reasoning whimsicle to try and say it is.
I'm not saying it IS bogus, just that it may be, and it would be a smart move by Mangini do so if he didnt even want Branch.
We'll see. Maybe its real and Branch gets traded to the Jets.
But given the 2 alternatives, I would judge Mangini a much smarter man to have simply tried to harm the Pats when given the opportunity on a silver platter than to actually think the best thing for his franchise is to trade a player and a 2nd round pick (or more) for the right to pay Deion Branch $36million.
That trade may make sense for some teams, but it foolish for the Jets.
Maybe Im giving Mangini too much credit, but if I saw the opportunity on day 1, I find it hard to believe that Mangini didnt.
The question remains, what would Mangini have to lose by doing that?
When the Pats sent Branch out to negotiate with other temas, I predicted that if Mangini had learned anything from BB he would give Branch a huge offer that was more than his value of what he was willing to pay him, then refuse to agree on any reasonable trade compensation, thereby driving a wedge between Branch and the Pats, ie overinflating Branchs opinion of himself, pricing the Pats out of keeping him, and plssing Branch off because he has his deal but the Pats are asking for ridiculous trade compensation.
Has Mangini outsmarted BB?
Branch is under contract and refusing to play. A wedge is redundant.
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