RB Comparsion Thread

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Originally Posted by scott99

Excuse my senior season faux pas. But correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Brady out-pass Manning last year ? I just think people here are being hypocritical. A lot of people here loved Addai, and now he is a terrible back just because Indy drafted him and we didn't. And of course when you bring up Bush, it was/is very fashionable around here saying he will never be a great PRO back, which I find ridiculous. I would have bet anything that there would have been a parade in Boston by Pats fans if we wound up with Bush. The kid is the ultimate weapon.

It was far from universal, this "love" for Addai. Many of us weren't sold, and to dismiss current criticism as homerism is selling us short. And I won't stand for it...

[pats-blue]

Originally Posted by Remix 6

Each Week We'll update it in preseason
Just to keep us feeling good

Bush - 6 carries 59 yards 9.8 ypc long of 44 yards . First team offense
Maroney - 9 carries 66 yards 7.3 ypc long of 27 yards. First team offense
Williams - 8 carries 21 yards 2.6 ypc long of 20 yards. Second team offense
Addai - 3 carries 3 yards 1 ypc long of 2 yards. Second team offense

I agree with the poster stated that they see Bush as a Sanders type back in the NFL. Thats kind of what I think too....and that isn't a bad thing because that is a HOF comparison.

That being said after ONE preseason game I will take Maroney for #21 money over Bush and his # "1" money. Of course I would take Bush over Maroney if the $$$ were the same but the way he ran against ATL was impressive. I didn't think the O line opened great holes, both our backs ran with authority with "decent" blocking. Wait until we get our STARTING O line back that wasn't our first stringers yet.

I don't think there is Bush bashing (in the foorball forum) I think people are estatic that we got Maroney and resigned themselves that Bush wans't ever in the picture at all and for the Pats for him TO be in the picture the cost was astronomical (How much to move up in the draft to get him I mean then sign him to a "#1" contract) I think most posters assign this "value" to him and then call him "overvalued/rated". For that he is I think, gonna be great, but I like our guy at #21 right now.

Man I can't wait for REAL football season....

[spacecrime]

Originally Posted by scott99

let's face it, most of us Pats fans were drooling about Addai when we thought the Pats were going to draft defense in the first round.

I wasn't drooliing. i did think that Addai would be a good pickup in the second round. Why? Because Bush-Maroney-Williams-White would have gone in the first round, and Addai would be value in mid-to-late second round.

But if you think for a second I was screaming, "No, take Addai" when the Pats drafted maroney, you are coocoo. And if you wanted Addai at No 21 you are coocoo (or however it is spelled) too.

Bush is another matter. He is a good third round back, one of the best. I didn't see him as an NFL feature back when he was in college, and I still don't. LenDale White has a shot at a better career than Bush I thought back in January. I'm not sure now, not because Bush is better than I thought, but becasue LenDale is not as good.

Maroney and Williams I thought to be the best in the draft, and still think so.

I'll wait a couple games before jumping on Addai, but if you were impressed with Addai's numbers, you must have shot your wad watching Maroney's runs.

[scott99]

Originally Posted by spacecrime

I wasn't drooliing. i did think that Addai would be a good pickup in the second round. Why? Because Bush-Maroney-Williams-White would have gone in the first round, and Addai would be value in mid-to-late second round.

But if you think for a second I was screaming, "No, take Addai" when the Pats drafted maroney, you are coocoo. And if you wanted Addai at No 21 you are coocoo (or however it is spelled) too.

Bush is another matter. He is a good third round back, one of the best. I didn't see him as an NFL feature back when he was in college, and I still don't. LenDale White has a shot at a better career than Bush I thought back in January. I'm not sure now, not because Bush is better than I thought, but becasue LenDale is not as good.

Maroney and Williams I thought to be the best in the draft, and still think so.

I'll wait a couple games before jumping on Addai, but if you were impressed with Addai's numbers, you must have shot your wad watching Maroney's runs.

Look, I never ever said we should or would have taken Addai #21 overall. I think we all thought the Pats were going to go Defense or WR with the #21 pick, and a lot of us here would have been happy with Addai in the second round. I would bet that more than 50% of us were shocked when we took Maroney at #21, though all the LB's were gone, and suprisingly, a lot of predraft guides had us taking a RB, with a lot of them having us take Maroney, and some Williams. Probably, a majority of us thought Manny Lawson's name was going to be announced. As another person stated here in this thread, I also follow running backs, way back to the O.J. days. My favorite of all time was sweetness-Walter Payton, and had high hopes for every runningback the Pats have ever taken. I had high hopes for Vegas Ferguson, Tony Collins,Craig James, Reggie Dupard, John Stephens, Leonard Russell, Curtis Martin, Robert Edwards, Kevin Faulk, J.R. Redmond & Cedric Cobbs. If you notice, only one of them is a certain Hall of Famer (Martin), and only 3 others were pretty good (Collins, James & Faulk), and three had 1000+ (or close) rookie seasons (Stephens, Russell & Edwards) but faded away pretty early in their careers. I have my fingers crossed that Maroney has a career as good as Martin's rather than a career like the terrible Dupard's.

[RayClay]

Originally Posted by spacecrime

Amen to that, brother.

Of course, Pete Prisco loves Addai, and after the first week's effort sings Addai's praises:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9596688

He says Addai's pitiful numbers mean nothing (and at that he could be right-one game not proving anyting), though I have to believe that if Addai had done what Maroney-Bush-Williams had done, Prisco wouldn't be saying it meant nothing.

Numbers mean nothing to Prisco. Neither do letters.

[spacecrime]

Originally Posted by scott99

Look, I never ever said we should or would have taken Addai #21 overall. I think we all thought the Pats were going to go Defense or WR with the #21 pick, and a lot of us here would have been happy with Addai in the second round.

That's a fair assessment of what I felt. I would have been happy with Addai as a second round pick and Lawson or Carpenter in first round.

However, after hearing reports and watching Addai's horrible effort in an admittedly short exposure in the first reseason game, I would no longer be happy if he were a Patriot and would be very vocal about it on this list.

If the Patriots had taken Addai, and he had run for 3 yards on 3 carries, you would be hearing a LOT more Addai bashing on this list. So why would it be okay to criticize him if he were a Patriot but not as a Colt? Is there some reason why being a Colt makes him good even with lousy perfromance.

Oh, yeah, I forgot:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9596688

[JoeSixPat]

Given the personnel we have available to play right now, and given the dynamic rushing weapons we posess, its increasingly likely that the Patriots offense is based on Brady's handoffs more than his throws.

Balance in the offense is ideal and right now we don't have that given our long game - so defenses will collapse. While that's going to impact how our RBs stack up against other offenses, while D's are focussing on Maroney and Dillon, that's also going to open up the passing game and be a big help in that area.

The biggest thing for me is Maroney's ability to gain yards after contact... he strikes me as the Rodney Harris of RBs

[VJCPatriot]

I sure wasn't one of the people proclaiming Addai as the second coming. I saw him as a second round pick and I think the Colts reached for him, but they had no choice as he would not have lasted to the bottom of the 2nd round.

I was all for getting Chad Jackson. The fact the Pats landed both Maroney AND Jackson was the offensive coup of the draft for the Pats imo.

As for Brady making Maroney look good. Brady makes anyone look good but I think the OL is more responsible for how good the runningbacks look. Not to mention Brady doesn't have the luxury of throwing to two #1 type receivers like Harrison and Wayne.

Will Bush be better than Maroney? If draft position has anything to do with it he better be or he will be considered a disappointment. If Maroney doesn't turn out better than Bush, well he was picked at #21 overall so I think the Pats got pretty darn good value for where they picked him.

I'm excited about Maroney. I know it's early but he shows a lot of promise thus far. What's wrong with getting excited? I do agree that 1 preseason game does not a career make however.

It will get more interesting when we can track their regular season stats and see how they do. Although Addai theoretically should have the advantage if he comes out as the Colts #1 back while Maroney splits time with Dillon. We'll see.

There are some pretty potent RB duos in the NFL now thanks to the rookies. Should be fun to watch. Thus far it looks like:

1 - Bush/McAllister with the Saints
2 - Maroney/Dillon with the Pats
3 - Addai/Rhodes with the Colts

Originally Posted by scott99

Look, I'm as big a Pats fan as anyone here, but the continued Addai/Bush bashing has become ridiculous. I'm as excited as anyone about Maroney, but let's face it, most of us Pats fans were drooling about Addai when we thought the Pats were going to draft defense in the first round. Some people were proclaiming that Addai was the best all-around (running, receiving, blocking, blitz pickup, etc) back in the draft. If we had wound up with Carpenter or Lawson in the first round, and Addai in the second, we would have all been crowing about our draft(we still are, great draft). Addai will be a fine back in the NFL, will be a good weapon out of the backfield, and should wind up as the #1 back on the team. I would have been fine with him in the second round if we had gone for defense, or receiver in the first round. Most likely he would have been available in the second round as all indications were that Indy wanted Maroney bad.

Some people here have been proclaiming that we got the #1 RB in the draft (after one half of one preseason game), and that may happen, but Reggie Bush has not shown me anything so far that proves he wasn't the best RB in the draft (maybe the best player). There is a reason why Bush went #2 and Maroney #21. Don't get me wrong, I am stoked about Maroney (he is my computer wallpaper right now), I watch his highlites on Youtube all the time (that 90 something yard run against Wisconsin is sick). But Bush is going to be awesome too, and may even be BETTER than Maroney in the long run, though I think he will be used differently.

Overall, I think this thread is a waste of time. Maybe we should do this RB comparison 5 years down the road, or maybe 3 years down the road, but after 1 preseason game, this is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Remix 6

Each Week We'll update it in preseason
Just to keep us feeling good

Bush - 6 carries 59 yards 9.8 ypc long of 44 yards . First team offense
Maroney - 9 carries 66 yards 7.3 ypc long of 27 yards. First team offense
Williams - 8 carries 21 yards 2.6 ypc long of 20 yards. Second team offense
Addai - 3 carries 3 yards 1 ypc long of 2 yards. Second team offense

Another one you left out:
Lendale White - did not play due to spitting on a team-mate the day before

[Remix 6]

first rounder..the fat retard screwed himself out of it