Keegs

In your other ridiculous thread where you compare Sullivan's impact on our team to Ricky williams' impact on the Dolphins, you said....

The Patriots will win 10 Games.
The Dolphins will win 11 Games.

I don't care how you came up with the Dolphin win number but i am curious about the pats number.

What on earth makes you think the pats will win only 10 games????

Last year we would have won 11 if our backups didn't barely lose to your phins. The pats won 10 games last year with all those injuries and Brady carrying the team on his shoulders. Comon, Heath Evans started at running back a few games and secondary was a revolving door of inadequate cornerbacks and Strong Safeties for the most part.
Add to all of that the fact that the Pats had probably the most difficult schedule in the league last year. And look what Brady does, when the team is mangled and its up to him to carry it he does. He shines under pressure and is great when he needs to play his best.

You honestly think this team will win less than 11 games?? are you nuts??

IF they same injuries occur, the pats will win at least 11 based on the experience gained, Brady's improvements and the fact that our schedule appears to be pretty easy.

so, did you say that to get a rise out of pats fans???

OR

do you really believe it?

I don't know which is worse but both are annoying.

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HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

good post Keegs! Aqua is delusional. Pats will win at least 11 games this year. People don't understand that during the Dolphins "6 game winning streak" they played 4 bad teams, one team with backups after halftime and the choke artist Chargers. Note to Dolphin fans: No one cares about a six game winning streak when you don't make the playoffs. Make the playoffs, then we will take you guys seriously!

Aqua4Ever04

Since you guys probably aren't smart enough to scroll over to another thread to read my view, I'll post it here too.

But first, have you been under a rock this off-season? Do you not know who the Pats have lost? A huge peice of that front 7 is gone, your most clutch playoff performer at WR is gone and your big time kicker is gone. Those 3 were all HUGE peices of your sucsess over the years. Who did you add in the off-season? And don't tell me Chad Jackson and Laurence Maroney because they both will be very good players, but won't do a whole lot this year. You guys are just so hard headed, you don't care to look at how huge those 3 losses are. You also lost one of your staples on the Oline in Tom Ashworth as well. Oh and I almost forgot, Dieon Branch is holding out, let me know how that turns out.

Well here's my reply to THEARCHIVES or the moron who doesn't understand anything other than the New England Patriots.

People don't care about a 6 game winning streak? When this team was 1 bad fumble from winning the division. People do take notice of stuff like that just not you because all you know is Patriots football. Do yourself and everyone else a favor, and open your eyes to the rest of the NFL. You're the one who is delusional you giant d***** bag!

And you call my argument dumb lol. We got lucky against San Diego? Umm ok?? If we got lucky in that game, then you got very lucky the first time you played us. If not for that McMichael fumble late in the first half, we would have liekly been up 14-0 or at worst 10-0 heading into the locker rooms. But instead you guys got a field goal out of it making it a 7-3 contest. You guys won by 7 when we failed to punch it in deep in the red zone. You wanna talk about getting lucky? Look at that game my friend, which essentially was the difference in who won the division.

As for your "gift" at the end of the season. The Dolphins were beating up on your starters pretty good too as I recall. Then BB pulled them out, and don't you think that maybe took just a little bit out of the Fins sails?

You say how close our ball games were during that 6 game streak but think about this. There were 3 or 4 other games that we lost that we very easily could have won. For example, our first game against you which I already explained. Our first game against Buffalo, Frerotte had 2 INTs in the Buffalo end zone and Ronnie Brown fumbled in the red zone with under a minute to go down by 6. Thirdly, the game against Atlanta, Frerotte had 2 more turnovers in the red zone. The second one came at the Falcons 5 yard line with a minute to go trailing by 7. So with Culpepper, those 3 games are without a doubt wins!

So don't tell me my argument is dumb because the Fins are a vastly improved team and will kick the s*** out of the Pats two times this year and run away with the AFC East. You guys just don't see anything other New England Patriots football and it really scews your vision on the rest of the league/division. If you think the Fins are another year away, you're a moron!

thewaylifeshouldbe

If you were referring to Branch with that comment, he is hardly "gone". Under contract for one more year right now.

The Fin's have improved on paper, and will likely be improved overall if Brown can carry the load without RW, the OL steps it up a notch, and Pep regains pre-injury mobility. The Patriots lost some big named players, but still retain the winning formulas needed to defend the AFCE title, as well the personel required to be very competitive if healthy.

Personally, I think if things mesh for both teams and they maintain a very low injury situation, you could see the division still up in the air by week 14. It could get pretty interesting with the majority of our division games being in the first half of the season, and the Dolphins having 3 AFCE games in the final 4 weeks.

But only an idiot would try to predict what the upcoming season holds eh?

Keegs

Didn't really answer my question.

Patriots have losses every offseason. Willie does hurt but he wasn't as big of an impact as everyone made him out to be. People who always doubt the Pats act like we lost the best defensive player we have and that isn't the case. I don't even know where i would rank him on our D last year. There are numerous players on this defense that are more valuable in my opinion than Willie; Bruschi, Harrison, Seymour, Vrabel, healthy Cornerbacks..... and i might be missing more.

Givens was a good clutch performer but there are times he was needed and didn't show up. LIke the Denver regular season game when he dropped a 4th down pass and ruined our comeback. I could have caught that ball. I've seen him make great catches but drop easy one as well, WE DID NOT LOSE JERRY RICE. This is no more significant than Seattle losing Joe Jurevicious, yet i don't hear about their team being screwed. Granted they did sign Burleson and appear to have more Receivers than us, but we will sign another before the season starts, one way or the other. We might not even need to.

Now to Vinatieri. This guy was valuable when it mattered of course, but his leg strength is an issue now.... look at last season and the jacksonville game, they didn't trust this guy kicking anything over 45 yards. His last "big kick" that i can remember is against Carolina in the Superbowl, and that is after he almost lost it for us by missing 2 prior field goals and brady saved his ass. This is yet another player that Pats doubters get excited about and his value to our team is now bein embelished. I didn't think it was possible but the stuff i hear from non-pats fans about this kicker is a little much. It appears he got better just by leaving the team, and i still cant figure out how he will make the colts better.

I don't consider these 3 losses that bad at all. Losing Lawyer and Ty Law pissed me off more.

I was hoping your post that was supposed to prove me wrong would have focused more on what i said about how our schedule this year is significantly easier and if you could touch upon the issue of injuries. We lost so many players last year, the 3 free agent losses that you claim were huge seem small in comparison. I don't think you realize how beat up this team was......
Look it up, then come back and talk to me...

then explain, HOW they will win less than 11 games.

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Keegs

a couple more things....

Deion holding out doesn't mean anything right now for us. Just another thing that will be taken care of when it is taken care of ... we hae nothing to worry about.

Yeah seymour held out before, how did that work out?

In my opinion, this offensive line has great depth and the loss of Ashworth barely makes a difference. Other pats fans here im sure will disagree with me but Ashworth leaving doesn't bother me one bit.

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Aqua4Ever04

Very good post, I agree and it really should be a good race. I still see Miami finally getting the better of it though. You guys have to remember we no longer have Wann-stache around here making decions. Saban brings a whole new attitude and we don't have to settle for being a "good" football team any more.

Oh and for the record, I was refering to Givens, I read on ESPN that he scored in 6 consecutive playoff games for the Pats at one point of their run.

Aqua4Ever04

Keegs, thank you for the calm, cool and collected reply. It's much nicer to deal with someone when they actully take time to explain themselves.

You make a lot of good points and obviously the best being the injury bug that bit you last year. But the losses still make me believe your team is weaker. Adam Vinatieri is a great kicker, there is no doubting that. And if you think that Martin Gramatica can do the same job, you're kidding yourself.

I really like drafting Chad Jackson (actully I hate it because he is a good player .) But I certainly don't think he is at the level that Givens is at. Your offense was still very good last year, and probably the best it has been in your whole run. It really had to be for you to stay in it with your depleted secondary. Tom Brady was nothing short of brilliant last year and I thought he deserved the MVP trophy. I don't think he will come back and be that good again this year.

Now for your defense, yes the loss of Willie has been discussed and a lot of you guys think he can easily be replaced. I however think differntly. He was a very valuable peice to that brilliant 3-4 BB runs. He was great at blitzing from the linebacker spot, or stopping the run on the DL. Yes you still ahve Vrable, Bruschi and Seymore, but like it or not, losing McGinnest will have an impact.

I think you guys will win abour 10 or 11 games based on all of this and I think the Fins are in that same exact boat. As long as C-pep comes back and returns to form, the sky is really the limit for this team. One addition I didn't mention was Fred Beasley. Ronnie Brown and he have really hit it off in the OTAs and i expect a huge year out of Brown and expect Beasley to be in the frame on many of Brown's big runs making huge blocks.

Keegs

well im expecting a big year out of Sullivan.

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pats1

Doesn't all this from Aqua4Ever04 belong in the Interleague forum? He got all obnoxious and posted it in here all the sudden, which really irks me.