RayClay

I read that Sullivan was late to mini camp meetings with a NEW coach.

This is just stupid. Don't get me wrong, I think this is worth a shot. High upside, no real downside, (lose a KR, big deal).


Here's the question. Does BB have a history of motivating lazy ass, self centered or otherwise less than ideal character players.?

I ask this because I think this is a strength of Parcells. A radio guy was talking about him "breaking" T.O. and mentioned Meshawn and L.T.

No doubt, fat Tuna loves these head games, but how about BB?

Seems to me he made the decision to acquire good attitude guys in 2001 and that's worked for him.

I don't think Dillon counts IMO because he always gave 100% towards staying in shape and producing.

Thoughts?

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BelichickFan

I think Dillon does count, his attitude wasn't strong his last year in Cincy when Rudy started to get more carries.

I can't think of any others offhand but it's a little bit of a loaded question because he hasn't brought a lot of problem players in. Not that I remember anyway.

sarge

In my mind, all this did was get us a chance at something for nothing.

There was a good chance Bethel wasn't making the team anyway.

So instead of cutting him, we get a ragbag with tons of potential who just might be a decent player.

That chance is remote. BUt not as remote as if we just outright cut Bethel.

sarge

Ohh yeah, as far as fixing any headcases??

None that I can think of.

Dillons issue was he hated losing. Seems to me winning a SB will cure that!

RayClay

I don't want to argue the point, but I think Dillon realized he got a great opportunity and appreciated it. Of course BB did the research.

This Clown gets a fresh start with a new coach and starts out by showing up late to meetings. Obviously has the maturity level of a 3 year old.

I could see Parcells sadistic streak coming out until this guy finally broke.

I think we miss McGinest in these situations, because BB likes to rely on peer pressure.

I'm sure they didn't acquire him just to cut him, so what's the plan?

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PatsFanInVa

All BB did with Dillon was trusted his own (dead on accurate) gut, on the reason Dillon was cranky. Belichick establishes the type of players he wants then looks for them, and teaches them... he doesn't convince them to do their jobs. It's like the professor who doesn't take attendance, because by the time you get to college you're supposed to want to learn - hell, you're paying for it.

Now Parcells can turn around a head case... maybe BB should think about hiring him on if he gets drummed out of Dallas. Assistant Coach for Motivational Sarcasm or something.

PFnV

RayClay

I don't think BB does something just for the hell of it at this stage of his career.

My thinking is Big Sey will step up the leadership void of McGinest. Plus he knows this guy.

Throw in Bruschi, Harrison and Troy Brown and I think this guy is going to toe the line or quit.

Just seems to me that BB counts on the team for discipline and they're not going to put up with attitude from this guy.

The Saints are an undisciplined team, to put it nicely. I can't see the veteran Pats putting up with any snit.

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PromisedLand

Dillon's case was completely different - he was an EXTREMELY productive player in the NFL for 6-7 seasons before his last one in Cincy, and he was injured then before losing his starting job. He was unhappy with losing, not lazy.

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patsfan13

Sullivan was a teammate of big Sey, Big Sey will be depended on to provide leadership. Watson is another teammate of Sullivan.

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Isaac

Um, I assume you don't mean to say that LT was "lazy ass". He doesn't deserve mention with Owens and Johnson, very different problems. And I wouldn't say that Parcells motivated him, he was supremely self-motivated (for all his faults).