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Jeremy Mincey, OLB. Belichick even said so - with a degree of certainty that he seems NEVER to use when it comes to draft picks. "Mincey will be a OLB for us."
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5) If your point was that compensatory picks do not really make up for losing a good player, then I agree.
I think that you said my point better than I did.
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I just don't see a lot of room for rookies in there. Of course, everyone wants to see us draft some young stud safety to take over for Harrison when he's done, but I just don't see that as a necessity. I like the secondary we have.
Warfield did a pretty respectable job filling in at safety last year, and Chad Scott can step into that role too. I just think we have a lot of versatile talent in our DBackfield. It's not the youngest out there, which is one reason why you could knock them for not getting a DB earlier, but they may think they have a young guy on the roster now that will be able to take over for Harrison. Ventrone? I've heard good things about him.
Just to be accurate, I think you mean Hawkins when you talk about Warfield, who wasn't on the Pats last year.
Also, you omitted Hawkins from your DB list.
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The point is well-taken but you've eliminated the third variable: Cap implications.
While using a 4th round pick to replace AV and a 3rd round pick to replace Givens, you do take a step backwards in terms of draft pick value when factoring the compensitory picks. However, you've also presumably freed up a ton of cap space at the same time. So the equation is really the salary difference between Jackson and Gotkowski vs. AV and Givens, as well as the opportunity to address other positions at those picks.
Given the high cap numbers that we would have incurred at Kicker and #2 WR, I still think that this was the wisest course of action.
There seems to be a consensus developing that D Graham will be gone. IMO BB regards him a a 'core' player like a Bruschi or Seymour. I don't think he will be going to another team. He is as well rounded a TE as I have seen. Some TE are used as receivers, Graham can fill that role but he is also an outstanding blocker, who sacrifices stats to give the team a better chance to win. I have never heard word one from this guy about not getting enough balls thrown his way. He works hard every play does his assignments well. IMO BB is not letting this guy go, till he is past his prime a la AV and Willie this year.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
...read Rich Gosselin's draft-related articles...2.) The Steelers, the defending SB champs, helped themselves a great deal. ...4.) Given the track record of rookie wideouts and Florida wideouts, I do not expect Jackson to perform as a top #2 until the latter half of the 2007 season. ...8.) If Graham wants to be the #1 TE in a team's offense, then this year will be his last as a Patriot...
Indeed, Gosselin is a real font of information. I agree with the posters who have suggested that the Meyer-regime has struck Belichick as different enough from previous ones at UF to take a chance on this kid, despite the very poor record of the receivers from UF in the past. The fact that he has shown versatility in his position is very encouraging. And the timeline sounds pretty good, although I hallucinate that he will show real flashes this year, and be #2 in training camp next year...a bit ahead of schedule.
Does anyone think that Graham has the ability to be a #1 receiving tight end, a la Sharpe, Gates, or even Shockey? He seems to bring numerous skills but has yet to shine...I wonder if anyone would see him as the answer. Interesting line of thought, though.
There seems to be a consensus developing that D Graham will be gone. IMO BB regards him a a 'core' player like a Bruschi or Seymour. I don't think he will be going to another team. He is as well rounded a TE as I have seen. Some TE are used as receivers, Graham can fill that role but he is also an outstanding blocker, who sacrifices stats to give the team a better chance to win. I have never heard word one from this guy about not getting enough balls thrown his way. He works hard every play does his assignments well. IMO BB is not letting this guy go, till he is past his prime a la AV and Willie this year.
I'm not sure you can say BB won't let him go. First, he could simply not sign with the Pats. Second, he could get a marginally better offer and not give the Pats a chance to match, like the Vinitraitor, Third, he could want more money that the Pats were willing to spend on that position, no matter how much they wanted him (like Givens)
Indeed, Gosselin is a real font of information. I agree with the posters who have suggested that the Meyer-regime has struck Belichick as different enough from previous ones at UF to take a chance on this kid, despite the very poor record of the receivers from UF in the past. The fact that he has shown versatility in his position is very encouraging. And the timeline sounds pretty good, although I hallucinate that he will show real flashes this year, and be #2 in training camp next year...a bit ahead of schedule.
Does anyone think that Graham has the ability to be a #1 receiving tight end, a la Sharpe, Gates, or even Shockey? He seems to bring numerous skills but has yet to shine...I wonder if anyone would see him as the answer. Interesting line of thought, though.
It's been mentioned in previous posts that the entire offense was designed around Graham in college, so there's no doubt in my mind that he has the potential to be a #1 receiving tight end.
5) If your point was that compensatory picks do not really make up for losing a good player, then I agree.
Me, too. The pick helps a little, and takes some of the sting away, but if you could do better by losing your FAs than by signing then, no one would sign their FAs
Me, too. The pick helps a little, and takes some of the sting away, but if you could do better by losing your FAs than by signing then, no one would sign their FAs
I agree, and what's more I think everyone agrees -- this seems like something of a straw-man argument. Does anybody think the Pats intentionally let valuable players walk because they're champing at the bit for an extra 6th rounder? Comp picks don't even start until the end of day 1, so they obviously don't "make up for" the loss of a top contributor.
A question: do FA signings count in the comp offset equation if they don't make the team? The only time I could see comp picks tilting the decision would be in signing a JAG vet as camp fodder. If you really didn't expect the guy to make the team and his signing could cost you a low-round pick, you might pass.
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