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Old 04-26-2006, 08:37 AM   #1
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Last night before heading to bed I was thinking about a couple of comments and discussions I've been reading around the forums about how shutdown corners aren't as important anymore..
People use the fact that offenses use four and five wr sets to spread the ball around. This inturn negates what a shutdown corner can really do because of the different options the QB has.
But this simply isn't true.
In today's football there are only a few QB's that can check down and throw to an alternative receiver. Qb's always have their favorite target which they will force a ball into. A shutdown corner who blankets a top option for a QB even in a multiple set will give the pass rush more time to get to the QB and cause a greater chance of stopping that offense.


I say this because TY LAW is out there and would LOVE to see him back in a PATS uniform. The days of him covering M.Harrison and causing Manning to look off and run for his life because the pass rush is in his face is something I miss.
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Old 04-26-2006, 10:46 AM   #2
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In today's football there are only a few QB's that can check down and throw to an alternative receiver. Qb's always have their favorite target which they will force a ball into. A shutdown corner who blankets a top option for a QB even in a multiple set will give the pass rush more time to get to the QB and cause a greater chance of stopping that offense.
Thank God for Brady - the only favorite receiver he has is his xm satellite radio.

The only way Law's coming back is at a fraction of the money he wants, with a fraction of the guarantees he wants.

Unless I'm wrong, which of course, is as likely as not.

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Mayeb Ty IS coming back...or may the draft a new shutdown corner...Tye Hill???? Rumors are they may move up for him.
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I hear yea about the money but talent wise, I would like to see him back..
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Two choices at the moment see to be

1) Ty Law at about $5M a year and keep our picks or

2) Use a 1st, top 3rd, top 4th AND 6th for Tye Hill and then pay him whatever #13 commands.

#) we can say we don't need help at corner, and take our head and put it firmly in the sand.

4) pick another corner at 21, and make believe we've pick a top shutdown corner.

5) believe that there is no longer such a player a shutdown corner. After all, Gay will be as productive addition as Tye Hill or Ty Law.
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Antonio Cromartie is the guy we need to draft at 21...then we pick Kiwi, or Hodge at 52
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Two choices at the moment see to be

1) Ty Law at about $5M a year and keep our picks or

2) Use a 1st, top 3rd, top 4th AND 6th for Tye Hill and then pay him whatever #13 commands.

You really that high on HILL? He is kinda short but then again so isn't our entire secondary.. Do we really need to move up that high to get him?
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Or you could wait to 21 and pick Hill, Cromartie or Marshall. You could maybe trade to the bottom of the round and pick one of those.
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Antonio Cromartie is the guy we need to draft at 21...then we pick Kiwi, or Hodge at 52
I'm a Ty Hill fan converted to a Cromartie fan, myself. Hill actually likes to hit, and is faster than a minister's daughter on X. He also emphasizes how coachable he is; since he's a converted running back, it's an interesting point. After all, if he can be a collegiate star his first year at the position, he's chock full of upside.

Cromartie likes to hit and leave an indentation. Plus, he has the hands to be a playmaker. Speed's a question, but he "plays faster" than his 40 time. You give up a couple of tenths of a second, but given his height and an elementary understanding of how that affects what constitutes "tolerable separation" (think arcs, as in ballistics,) I don't think you give up that much coverage ability.

Or Law, if he'll come back home at an affordable rate. Or, one from column A and one from column B. That would give a Hill type room to grow coming in at nickel to start.

Edited to say: I don't think Hill is guaranteed to be gone by 21.

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Shutdown corners aren't as important anymore because they are dead. There is no such thing anymore. Whether it's just a matter of nobody having that kind of talent or all of the rule changes, they just don't exist. Name the top 5 corners in the NFL and none of them are true shutdown corners like Deion Sanders was in his prime.
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