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* When those guys were healthy at the start of the year, the team wasn't that good. 2-2 after 4 games and 3-3 after 6 games. The team was playing it's best without some of those guys.
You seem to be one of the people talking out an oriface OTHER than your mouth.
Yes, those guys were healthy. HOWEVER, at the beginning of last year, Vrabel wasn't healthy. Neither was Randall Gay. Nor Chad Scott. Nor James Sanders, etc etc. Wilfork wasn't playing well. Beisel and Brown didn't know the system. Dillon wasn't healthy coming out of TC.
Steve, I called you on this before in another thread. You, and many others, take a severely myopic view of the start of last season. You sit there and say that the team was "healthy" when that really wasn't the case. And the team had other issues as well.
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* When those guys were healthy at the start of the year, the team wasn't that good. 2-2 after 4 games and 3-3 after 6 games. The team was playing it's best without some of those guys.
It was also playing with Beisel and Brown starting inside, a revolving door at SS after Rodney went down 2 games into the season, a thin OT position with Gorin down and Light gone after 2 games, without Seymour for a 4-game stretch early, without Faulk for weeks 4-12 or so, and then the dropping of Poole, Gay, C. Scott, G. Scott, Sanders, and Starks to injury. Antonio Freeman anyone? That left rookies like Mankins, Kaczur, and Hobbs starting, who all got better with more experience during the season. Don't forget Dillon having the injuries early, leaving Amos Zereoue, Patrick Pass, and Heath Evans to man the RB position, with Zereoue getting cut and Pass and Evans going down with injuries later.
[QUOTE=pats1]I hate to break it to you, but according to my count, the Pats have re-signed the most players in the league this offseason. They'd re-signed 8 so far, the Bucs have also, and teams like the Steelers, Seahawks, Lions, Packers, and Raiders have re-signed 7.
* Those resignings didn't make the team better. They made were the same guys and none replace the effectiveness and production of Givens and Willie. I'm niether pessimistic or overly optimistic. I only deal with today and today the team isn't as good asw last year's. Yet.
I hate to break it to you, but according to my count, the Pats have re-signed the most players in the league this offseason. They'd re-signed 8 so far, the Bucs have also, and teams like the Steelers, Seahawks, Lions, Packers, and Raiders have re-signed 7.
* Those resignings didn't make the team better. They made were the same guys and none replace the effectiveness and production of Givens and Willie. I'm niether pessimistic or overly optimistic. I only deal with today and today the team isn't as good asw last year's. Yet.
Oh, just because they don't command $20 million contracts means they don't make the team better?
There's absolutely no way keeping Troy Brown makes this team better. Stephen Neal is just a scrub! Artrell Hawkins, man, what a joke! Don Davis, Heath Evans, Hank Poteat? Nah, special teams don't matter! It's not the Patriots' fault teams ran wild on returns and the offense was left with 80 yards to go on most drives!
It was also playing with Beisel and Brown starting inside, a revolving door at SS after Rodney went down 2 games into the season, a thin OT position with Gorin down and Light gone after 2 games, without Seymour for a 4-game stretch early, without Faulk for weeks 4-12 or so, and then the dropping of Poole, Gay, C. Scott, G. Scott, Sanders, and Starks to injury. That left rookies like Mankins, Kaczur, and Hobbs starting, who all got better with more experience during the season.
* Right now Beisel is the 4th LB, no one has a clue how Rodney will play. How many players have played as good as before they got the same injury that he did, the 1st year they came back? Beisel never showqed he could be a starting LB last year. And how did we miss Starks or Poole?
Anyone pretending to know how good, or bad, the 2006 New England Patriots are going to be on March 25th is talking out of an orifice other than thier mouths. IMO, the facts are that the signed players on the team TODAY, do not make up a team even as good as the team that lost to Denver in the playoffs last year. And certainly not as good as the 2003 or 2004 version. Will they get better or not is just guesswork. BB/Pioli have made great FA/DP pickups and made some bad ones. Mike Vrabel and Rodney Harrison versus Duane Starks and Donald Hayes.
Just to be as good as the team that lost to Denver last year they have to at least replace the production and effectiveness of Willie M and D Givens. To date they haven't. But, just being as good as that team isn't going to be good enough to win the SB, IMO. I try to deal with reality and not just wishful thinking and hope it'll be OK or that on 3/26 the end is at hand more than 5 months before the season starts. There's no way BB knows what kind of team he'll have in 2006 anymore than anyone else does. He's often said it takes about 5 or 6 games for him to know. So, why would anyone believe anyone else does?
Try getting out of the bed from the other side tomorrow. Sheesh. The subject of the thread before you hijacked it was not whether or not the team would be good enough to get to the Super Bowl, but rather Miguel's contention that BB always assembles a full roster BEFORE the draft so that going into the draft we have no NEED picks to fill obvious holes. BB doesn't like to rely on rookies, so he tends to avoid drafting to fill holes.
That said, I think he may actually go into the draft this year with a hole at WR. Of course what WE think is a hole and what HE thinks is a hole may be two very different things. But other than that, I agree with the original post, with the possibility of WR, we go into the draft with a full team ready to go.
* Right now Beisel is the 4th LB, no one has a clue how Rodney will play. How many players have played as good as before they got the same injury that he did, the 1st year they came back? Beisel never showqed he could be a starting LB last year. And how did we miss Starks or Poole?
Beisel will be fine in the role he played in the Jaguar game. Hawkins is a starter, and Chad Scott will see a lot of time in the nickel role. Neal is a starting RG. Troy Brown into the season will get some crucial 3rd down catches. Caldwell is young, 2 years removed from his ACL injury, and has got the jump on the rookies so far. I see him as solid contributor.
The year he blossomed, he only played 6 games before getting having an unfortunate the ACL. He had 18 catches, 3 TD and a whopping 17.2 average a catch.
Try getting out of the bed from the other side tomorrow. Sheesh. The subject of the thread before you hijacked it was not whether or not the team would be good enough to get to the Super Bowl, but rather Miguel's contention that BB always assembles a full roster BEFORE the draft so that going into the draft we have no NEED picks to fill obvious holes. BB doesn't like to rely on rookies, so he tends to avoid drafting to fill holes.
That said, I think he may actually go into the draft this year with a hole at WR. Of course what WE think is a hole and what HE thinks is a hole may be two very different things. But other than that, I agree with the original post, with the possibility of WR, we go into the draft with a full team ready to go.
I actually think that FA is so over-priced that BB goes into the draft with holes at LB and WR and K. Perhaps with June 1st cuts, we sign some vets to spell the rookies? Like maybe Moulds at WR?
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