T-ShirtDynasty

Somewhat agree.. I think Herm floats on the talent there for a while, he won't screw the pooch in the first year, it will take a while, maybe a year before seeds of his infestation begin to show.

Bobs My Uncle

RE: The Dolphins

Quick, name me the 4 DB's in the Dolphins secondary? I'll spot ya the overpriced Will Allen.

If the Pats had the Dolphins secondary this place would be going ballistic and they'd have committed 100's of us to institutions because of manic depression concerns.

The Dolphins just signed LJ Shelton to be their savious at LT people. Rex Hadnot is their RG. Committ 50 more of us.

And how many more of us would be institutionalized if our QB was a serious headcase outfit who was coming off major knee surgery? At least they have Ricky!

pats1

...who of course won't even play in 2006!

Going on, their OL consists of Shelton, Jeno James, Seth McKinney, Rex Hadnot, and Vernon Carney.

Kevin Carter will be 33, Keith Traylor will be 37, and Vonnie Holliday will be 31. Zach Thomas will be 33 himself.

Tavares Tillman and Yeremiah Bell are their starting safeties, with Norman LeJeune and Jack Hunt as backups. That's absoutely pitiful.

DaBruinz

Sorry, Pat, but your reasoning has some major holes in it.

The fact of the matter is that the secondary was exposed for numerous reasons, but mainly the poor play of the front 7.

Even before Harrison was hurt, the secondary wasn't doing great. That is becasue the front 7 wasn't getting pressure on the QB and the oppoing QBs had time to pick the defense apart. Wilfork was playing poorly, while Brown and Beisel hadn't acclimated to their new positions. Not to mention the fact that Vrabel wasn't in game shape yet after being injured the entire TC. Add to that, the merry go round we had at the CB position opposite Samuel because of injuries and its easy to understand why the secondary had problems.

Its a proven fact that CBs can only cover receivers for so long until they get open. Rule of thumb is 5-7 seconds. If the rushers haven't gotten to the QB by then, then he will have plenty of time to get the ball to a receiver.

If the front 7 had being getting to the QB like it had in previous years, then the secondary would look a lot better. However, with the front 7 playing as poorly as it was, you could have put a secondary of Michael Haynes, Ty Law, Ronnie Lott and Rodney Harrison back there and they still would have had the same problems.

patpatriot

...the QB? You know the "Protection Problem" guy? He's still there. and you know the "2-time SB MVP" guy? He's still here. Adam helps you no doubt. But he ain't the difference maker.

Box_O_Rocks

Go gently on dogging Mangini's J E T S too soon.

1. He may not have a QB, but he has given himself options and an OC who did okay turning Brees into a contendah.

2. Take a second look at the defensive line - Kimo von Kneemo is a pretty good 3-4 DE. They have two guys on the roster who can plug in at NT (and Herm had some 3-4 sets so this isn't a new thing for them). And they currently pick No. 4 in the draft with two top 10 rated DL who can be plugged in at DE. What is interesting is the options they get out of that duo - If they take Mario Williams, they can use him as the Elephant OLB and stick one of their current DL at DE to be a run stopper on the strong side. That would put Kimo and tentatively Matt Chatham on the weak side, not bad. If they take Haloti Ngata, he becomes the run stopping DE in the Ty Warren mold, and they put Chatham there and draft a speed rusher like Gocong or Dumervil in the 3rd round to pair with Kimo. Vilma may stay at ILB, then again, Mangini was in on BB's game plan for the kid and may use him differently - as long as he can avoid blockers he will be a force.

3. O-line: In addition to No. 4, they also pick at 29 and 35 - that is a LT and RT or C if they want Nick Mangold - the smart thing is take a C like Ross of BC late and grab that RT. Sure they're rookies and will get beat up some the first year, but rookies are a major improvement over what they got from Herm.

4. EM is a secondary magician and Herm did leave him a few tools despite the Ty Law experiment. Vilma at SS anyone?

5. ILB - what if they took A.J. Hawk at No. 4? Brown and Myers can plug in there off the current roster. I'd bet Cox can teach those LBs a trick or two, even if he is a rookie coach.

Just like Miami last year, the Jets are rebuilding and dangerous. Miami gave the Pats some trouble in the first game, Mangini is in a position to put together a stubborn defense and decent O-line with his picks, even Penny could give the Pats some trouble with that kind of help.

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InBillITrust

As much as people hate the Colts on this board, they have to be a contender. C'mon people, if they weren't a contender, posters wouldn't be knashing their teeth that AV went to them. I know everyone thinks Manning is going to choke again, but even Denver was a pseudo-contender here even w/ Plummer's playoff history.

Warhorse

I understand the sentiment here about Manning and his problems in the postseason but they are still a perrenial playoff team. Whatever the breakdown was in the Pittsburgh game, the colts still have to be considered a contender. If the Patriots are a contender after getting beat by the Superbowl champs then the colts should considering the team will be basically the same excluding Edgerrin James and including whoever will take his spot. At least make the prediction respectable.

PATSNUTme

A little early for these types of evaluations,IMO. FA is not over and we haven't had the draft. I'll wait a little to see how things shape up.

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