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I tried to tell some people on this board these points a few times, but was met with many counter-arguments like those points did not matter. I guess with many people sacks are sexy because they are numbers. I even brought up how the Pats finished second in sacks in 2007, but many people acted is if it was a worthless fact. Now I am not going to sit up here and act like this team does not need an upgrade with the pass rush, but some people think that is the ONLY area that needs improvement.
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A nice improvement at DE is priority #1 IMO. Someone that takes up two blockers and can stuff the run (the usual for a capable 3-4 DE). I do agree that OLB is most definitely a need though.
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A nice improvement at DE is priority #1 IMO. Someone that takes up two blockers and can stuff the run (the usual for a capable 3-4 DE). I do agree that OLB is most definitely a need though.
A player at either of those positions that can get pressure on the QB should be our top priority no matter what position he plays.
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A player at either of those positions that can get pressure on the QB should be our top priority no matter what position he plays.
DE's in our system aren't typically dominant pass rushers (with the exception of 2008 when Seymour finished with 8.0 sacks). Instead, they do the job of engulfing two blockers while the OLB, if called on, can come in to apply pressure on the quarterback. If we can get a DE that just does his job, the way Seymour did, it would be a great pick. Case in point: imagine what TBC and/or AD could have done this season with a Seymour type DE (instead of Jarvis Green) in front of them.
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Greetings,
I tried to tell some people on this board these points a few times, but was met with many counter-arguments like those points did not matter. I guess with many people sacks are sexy because they are numbers. I even brought up how the Pats finished second in sacks in 2007, but many people acted is if it was a worthless fact. Now I am not going to sit up here and act like this team does not need an upgrade with the pass rush, but some people think that is the ONLY area that needs improvement.
Shalom,
Celticboy04
Sacks are a funny stat. They can be indicative of a team's overall pass rush, the way they were for the 2007 team, or they can just be isolated events of pressure, the way they were for much of this season. A lot of the difference comes from how the sacks were gotten, and from what else happens besides the sacks. In 2007, and 2008, the Patriots were able to get pressure up the middle to collapse the pocket, so the sacks were more legitimate measures of what the team was doing. Unfortunately for the 2008 team, most of the pressure was up the middle, but QBs weren't really harried from the sides, meaning pressure was limited far more than in 2007. 2009 saw the opposite happening, with almost no pressure up the middle, but more harrying from the sides. As I think the passing numbers against the better teams demonstrated, consistent pressure up the middle is far superior to occasional pressure off the edge.
I don't see a Seymour in this next draft, and even if I'm wrong about that, he'll only be a rookie, so I expect that quarterbacks will still tend to have a nice, safe pocket in front of them, even if the team gets better at bringing pressure off the edge. Unless this team starts blitzing the "A" gaps successfully, I expect the Mannings of the league to continue feeling confident in the pocket against the Patriots.
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DE's in our system aren't typically dominant pass rushers (with the exception of 2008 when Seymour finished with 8.0 sacks). Instead, they do the job of engulfing two blockers while the OLB, if called on, can come in to apply pressure on the quarterback. If we can get a DE that just does his job, the way Seymour did, it would be a great pick. Case in point: imagine what TBC and/or AD could have done this season with a Seymour type DE (instead of Jarvis Green) in front of them.
I see what you're saying, but I still think an OLB that can put pressure on the QB would be the better answer. If the Pats had a threat like that at OLB the opposing teams OL would not have 2 guys on our DE because they need to worry about our threat at OLB. I think Jarvis Green would put up some good numbers if the Pats had a legitimate threat at OLB. With a solid OLB that can put pressure on the QB, he would put up some good numbers as well as our DE like Jarvis Green.
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I see what you're saying, but I still think an OLB that can put pressure on the QB would be the better answer. If the Pats had a threat like that at OLB the opposing teams OL would not have 2 guys on our DE because they need to worry about our threat at OLB. I think Jarvis Green would put up some good numbers if the Pats had a legitimate threat at OLB. With a solid OLB that can put pressure on the QB, he would put up some good numbers as well as our DE like Jarvis Green.
That's why I like Carlos Dunlap, though I'm not sure that he's going to fall to 22. Pierre-Paul is good too, but Dunlap just reminds me an awful lot of Willie Mac. He can either play OLB in the 3-4 (and still defeat blockers at the point of attack to get to the QB) or he could come down and do the same in a 4-3. I would really like to see him in a Patriot uniform next season.
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But your post does serve as a reminder that the silly season has begun, so thanks for that.
I don't know for sure, but I bet the 2007 defense wasn't 2nd in the league in sacks/per pass attempt. I find that statistic more revealing than strictly total sacks.
That's why I like Carlos Dunlap, though I'm not sure that he's going to fall to 22. Pierre-Paul is good too, but Dunlap just reminds me an awful lot of Willie Mac. He can either play OLB in the 3-4 (and still defeat blockers at the point of attack to get to the QB) or he could come down and do the same in a 4-3. I would really like to see him in a Patriot uniform next season.
Thats what I was thinking as well, but likewise I dont know if I can see him dropping to 22. If he is there at 22 there is no question BB will take him, if he is there a few picks before the Pats I could see BB moving up a few spots to get him, by giving up very little.
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"...as the head coach I can kind of do whatever I want. If I want to coach the punters, I can go coach the punters. If I want to watch the offensive guards, I can watch the offensive guards." - Bill Belichick
That's why I like Carlos Dunlap, though I'm not sure that he's going to fall to 22. Pierre-Paul is good too, but Dunlap just reminds me an awful lot of Willie Mac. He can either play OLB in the 3-4 (and still defeat blockers at the point of attack to get to the QB) or he could come down and do the same in a 4-3. I would really like to see him in a Patriot uniform next season.
I totally agree. Dunlap could even potentially play Jarvis Green's role in the 3-4 as an undersized pass rushing 3-4 DE, though I don't think that's his forte. But we could move him around and create some havoc. I think after Rolando McClain he's my second favorite disruptor on defense, and I'm praying for him to slip to 22.
The other guy I like a lot is Dan Williams of Tennessee. He's not a pass rusher but he has the ability to play 3-4 NT, 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE. He could be moved around a lot on the line like Baltimore uses Haloti Ngata. I don't see a young Seymour as a pure 3-4 DE, and Williams is the only pure DL that I really like at 22, if Dunlap is gone.
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