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InBillITrust · 02-28-2006, 06:59 PM

If you go the cheap route, football will become like baseball with the haves and have nots. Teams like Washington and Dallas will dominate while small markets like Green Bay and Kansas City would evaporate. Parity has really helped football. You know Dan Snyder would. Does anyone still remember the days of the 49ers when they would pick up every available star?

Pats726 · 02-28-2006, 07:07 PM

Upshaw is again over playing his hand..if he keeps walking out the players ought to give him a heave ho...who will benefit?? Not the rank and file players..very true SOME will get MORE money and such..but for the average JAG..paid even less so..Upshaw is a clown..go for it and see how the players like it!! If he's stupid enough to keep walking out...the players deserve to be thrown under the bus like he is doing..The golden egg can be cracked and playing chicken now is foolhardy..If the players are stupid enough to let the player agents control the NFLPA..like they are now, they have no one else to blame but themselves. It's a pretty dumb union to have rookies who have done nothing get so much money...why does it go oin?? Because the agents havea BIG influence with Upshaw and the players do not. How fair is that?? I think a deal gets done Upshaw isn't that stupid to let it crumble..if he is..he'll go down in history as a buffoon.

Brarrell · 02-28-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pats726

Upshaw is again over playing his hand..if he keeps walking out the players ought to give him a heave ho...who will benefit?? Not the rank and file players..very true SOME will get MORE money and such..but for the average JAG..paid even less so..Upshaw is a clown..go for it and see how the players like it!! If he's stupid enough to keep walking out...the players deserve to be thrown under the bus like he is doing..The golden egg can be cracked and playing chicken now is foolhardy..If the players are stupid enough to let the player agents control the NFLPA..like they are now, they have no one else to blame but themselves. It's a pretty dumb union to have rookies who have done nothing get so much money...why does it go oin?? Because the agents havea BIG influence with Upshaw and the players do not. How fair is that?? I think a deal gets done Upshaw isn't that stupid to let it crumble..if he is..he'll go down in history as a buffoon.

I totally agree who benefits the teams under the cap "this year" after this year it will be the teams with the money aka the Pats and I guess their are nine of them so at the end of the day the big money markets will dominate with good management. The players lose instead of 32 teams bidding you have 9 and they pick and choose who they pay. IMO Upshaw should be gone after this agreement one way or the other.

***fgssand*** · 02-28-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pats726

Upshaw is again over playing his hand..if he keeps walking out the players ought to give him a heave ho...who will benefit?? Not the rank and file players..very true SOME will get MORE money and such..but for the average JAG..paid even less so..Upshaw is a clown..go for it and see how the players like it!! If he's stupid enough to keep walking out...the players deserve to be thrown under the bus like he is doing..The golden egg can be cracked and playing chicken now is foolhardy..If the players are stupid enough to let the player agents control the NFLPA..like they are now, they have no one else to blame but themselves. It's a pretty dumb union to have rookies who have done nothing get so much money...why does it go oin?? Because the agents havea BIG influence with Upshaw and the players do not. How fair is that?? I think a deal gets done Upshaw isn't that stupid to let it crumble..if he is..he'll go down in history as a buffoon.

Excellent post Pats 726 - you are so very right, what we have here is a situation of the inmates running the asylum with their leader being dictated to by scum bucket agents whose sole is lining their own pockets.

Wake up players & Upshaw, if you force the owners hand, they just might accept a free for all and the owners will win because they own the franchises and the players are their employees. The NFL will survive, I am not certain todays players will survive the end of their union.

SaCaCh · 02-28-2006, 08:38 PM

The Players Union is just stupid. There are too many players to try and force the owners into any position. This is how it will play out, if the NFLPA continues. Not much will change over the next few years except, salaries getting smaller for big name players. Then in 2008 the owners will again lock out the players, there will be court battles, and the players will lose again, and the 100's of lesser know players will grumble and want to play and force the signing of whatever CBA the owners lay out. They will lose even more like what happened in Hockey, but there is no Euro league to play in this time like the stars could in the NHL. The players have ALOT to lose if this happens...idiots.

***edzo44*** · 02-28-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pats726

Upshaw is again over playing his hand..if he keeps walking out the players ought to give him a heave ho...who will benefit?? Not the rank and file players..very true SOME will get MORE money and such..but for the average JAG..paid even less so..Upshaw is a clown..go for it and see how the players like it!! If he's stupid enough to keep walking out...the players deserve to be thrown under the bus like he is doing..The golden egg can be cracked and playing chicken now is foolhardy..If the players are stupid enough to let the player agents control the NFLPA..like they are now, they have no one else to blame but themselves. It's a pretty dumb union to have rookies who have done nothing get so much money...why does it go oin?? Because the agents havea BIG influence with Upshaw and the players do not. How fair is that?? I think a deal gets done Upshaw isn't that stupid to let it crumble..if he is..he'll go down in history as a buffoon.

I disagree. I already think Upshaw IS a buffoon and he IS that stupid! He's going to go down in history as the idiot who ruined the players golden goose. What sort of clown uses the threat of decertifying the union to prevent an owner lockout of the players? Somewhat suicidal to dismantle the organization that is the only reason for YOUR job. That'll really teach the owners a lesson! Destroy the protection the players have by dismantling it and eliminating YOUR position. If he thinks it's a shrewd move he's obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

hwc · 02-28-2006, 10:42 PM

The decertification threat is because the NFL operates on an anti-trust exemption that requires union agreement. Upshaw is threatening to sue to the NFL to overturn the anti-trust exemption and have unlimited free agency -- the same type of court cases that led to free agency in baseball.

The problem he may not be recognizing is that the Supreme Court is now packed with Republican pro-business appointees.

spacecrime · 03-01-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hwc

The decertification threat is because the NFL operates on an anti-trust exemption that requires union agreement. Upshaw is threatening to sue to the NFL to overturn the anti-trust exemption and have unlimited free agency -- the same type of court cases that led to free agency in baseball.

The problem he may not be recognizing is that the Supreme Court is now packed with Republican pro-business appointees.

Also that playing 16 games rather than 162, plus having 53 man rosters instead of what baseball has now (I forget exactly) means a LOT less money available for players.

Anyone know what percentage of MLB revenue gets put into salaries on the average?