Wrong Borges: Rumor Monger and Garbage reporter - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-03-2006, 04:21 PM   #1
Pats, B's, Sox
 
DaBruinz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Sacshe, TX (by way of Salem,NH)
Posts: 22,626
My Mood: Amused
Default Wrong Borges: Rumor Monger and Garbage reporter

I am getting so sick of Wrong Borges. I am not sure if anyone caught this, but on Monday, when he wrote the article about the "fan" who wanted a ton of things for the Flutie Drop-Kick ball, Borges also included a little blurb about the contract negotiations.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal..._fails/?page=2

In it, he made it sound like real progress had been made and that there was a good possibility that the CBA would be exteded by March 3 and that we could see free agency pushed back a week to give the League and the NFLPA a chance to finalize everything.

Now, today, he has to contradict himself.
http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...res_for_fight/

I'm sorry, but its obvious that Borges got played.
DaBruinz is online now   Reply With Quote
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 02-03-2006, 04:27 PM   #2
Pats, B's, Sox
 
DaBruinz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Sacshe, TX (by way of Salem,NH)
Posts: 22,626
My Mood: Amused
Default

Let me just add that there is a bold-faced lie in his article as well:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrong Borges
Upshaw claimed high-revenue owners such as Bob Kraft and the Cowboys' Jerry Jones have repeatedly taken advantage of the present system because ''they're not spending on the players. They're not spending to the cap. They're spending on everything else."

An NFLPA source familiar with those numbers said the Patriots had spent only $76 million on player salaries last year despite a cap of $85 million, while Jones spent only $66 million on revenue of more than $300 million. The source produced NFLPA documentation to support those figures. Washington's Daniel Snyder was not lumped in that group because, according to the union's figures, he spends to the cap.
Its a bold-faced lie to say that the Patriots aren't spending money on their players. The fact of the matter is that the Patriots payroll actually topped $100 million because of signing bonuses. And the Patriots salary cap number was NOT 85 million. It was less than that because of MLTBE bonuses earned in 2005. And for them to ignore that is downright dishonest.
DaBruinz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2006, 04:27 PM   #3
Woohoo, I'm a VIP!!!
 
mgcolby's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Redskin Country
Posts: 5,178
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBruinz
I am getting so sick of Wrong Borges. I am not sure if anyone caught this, but on Monday, when he wrote the article about the "fan" who wanted a ton of things for the Flutie Drop-Kick ball, Borges also included a little blurb about the contract negotiations.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal..._fails/?page=2

In it, he made it sound like real progress had been made and that there was a good possibility that the CBA would be exteded by March 3 and that we could see free agency pushed back a week to give the League and the NFLPA a chance to finalize everything.

Now, today, he has to contradict himself.
http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...res_for_fight/

I'm sorry, but its obvious that Borges got played.
I am developing a site to exploit all of his hacks. It is a work in progress, but within a few weeks it should be up to par with a decent amount of content. I have been working on it for a couple of weeks nearly non stop. The majority of that time has been spent getting familiar with Dreamweaver.
__________________
Hey, Bill you're wasting Brady's prime years......oh wait....
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
mgcolby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2006, 04:41 PM   #4
Pats, B's, Sox
 
DaBruinz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Sacshe, TX (by way of Salem,NH)
Posts: 22,626
My Mood: Amused
Default

I also think its pathetic that the only thing that Gene Upshaw learned from the NHL strike is this :
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gene_Upshaw
''Some owners have asked me what I learned from what happened in hockey," Upshaw said. ''I learned not to agree to a bad deal or I won't be here. If they can't swallow the deal we're offering now, they won't even be able to put the next one in their mouth if we get past March 3 [without an extension] and into the final uncapped year. Then the cost of playing poker goes up."
Is he insane? If he takes that attitude into negotiations, then the league is doomed and he is a moron.

The salary cap accounted for 2.736 BILLION dollars (out of a potential 4.24 billion) Divide that by 2080 (65 players per team - 53 regular - 8 practice squad - 4 ir per team) and you still have an AVERAGE salary of 1.32 million. Yet, that's not enough for them?

The Players should not get 64% of the GROSS. That BS. They are not the owners of the league. They are employees. And its amazing that they don't realize this. Also, while Upshaw is throwing around revenue numbers, I suggest he (Please be quiet - edited) and remember that there are 100's of support staff that a team has to account for. And that money comes out of the revenues that aren't included in the salary cap.

I think that Upshaw is a fool if he thinks that the players are the ones who are in a position of power in these negotiations.
DaBruinz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2006, 05:22 PM   #5
Paranoid Homer Moderator
 
PATSNUTme's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Homerville City
Posts: 14,648
My Mood: Devilish
Default

First, how can anyone believe what that POS Borges writes anymore.

In regards to total revenues and the "poor" teams. Why can't they get off their asses and start marketing programs to increase their revenues? Also, what about debt service? Kraft built that stadium with private money. Most of the others get their stadiums built with taxpayers money.

If Kraft is financing his own stadium, doesn't make sense to deduct the cost of paying the debt from total revenues?

I'm not crying for Bob Kraft but the big picture has to be looked at.
PATSNUTme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2006, 05:29 PM   #6
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 231
Default Upshaw said or Borges said???

Per the article:
Upshaw claimed high-revenue owners such as Bob Kraft and the Cowboys' Jerry Jones have repeatedly taken advantage of the present system because ''they're not spending on the players. They're not spending to the cap. They're spending on everything else."

Did Upshaw or Borges single out Jones and Kraft? Upshaws quote stated "they're not spending" but who is the they? Maybe Upshaw said the following:

"high-revenue owners have repeatedly taken advantage of the present system because they're not spending on the players. They're not spending to the cap. They're spending on everything else."

Borges only quotes the last part of the statement. Why not quote Upshaw when he singled out Kraft and Jones? Maybe Upshaw singled them out...maybe Borges did by adding them to the sentence as "example" of the high-revenue teams.
shatch62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2006, 06:29 PM   #7
Pats, B's, Sox
 
DaBruinz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Sacshe, TX (by way of Salem,NH)
Posts: 22,626
My Mood: Amused
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shatch62
Per the article:
Upshaw claimed high-revenue owners such as Bob Kraft and the Cowboys' Jerry Jones have repeatedly taken advantage of the present system because ''they're not spending on the players. They're not spending to the cap. They're spending on everything else."

Did Upshaw or Borges single out Jones and Kraft? Upshaws quote stated "they're not spending" but who is the they? Maybe Upshaw said the following:

"high-revenue owners have repeatedly taken advantage of the present system because they're not spending on the players. They're not spending to the cap. They're spending on everything else."

Borges only quotes the last part of the statement. Why not quote Upshaw when he singled out Kraft and Jones? Maybe Upshaw singled them out...maybe Borges did by adding them to the sentence as "example" of the high-revenue teams.
Shatch -
If you read the ESPN article on what Upshaw said and then compare the information to what Borges said, there is a direct swipe taken at least at Jerry Jones and the Cowboys.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2316888

I feel that Upshaw is being disingenuous regarding the salaries, though. Even though the salaries are not at the cap level ( No team has salaries there), he is PURPOSELY leaving out signing bonuses and LTBE bonues. The Patriots shelled out over $21 million in bonuses this year to its players. Yes, that's right. The team that only had $79 million in salaries, shelled out another 26.5% in bonus money. The Patriots were right at the cap. And for anyone, Borges or Upshaw, to be posturing like the Patriots aren't spending money is just a bold-faced lie.
DaBruinz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2006, 06:48 PM   #8
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
PatsWickedPissah's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Hampster!
Posts: 19,386
My Mood: Grumpy
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBruinz
Shatch -
If you read the ESPN article on what Upshaw said and then compare the information to what Borges said, there is a direct swipe taken at least at Jerry Jones and the Cowboys.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2316888

I feel that Upshaw is being disingenuous regarding the salaries, though. Even though the salaries are not at the cap level ( No team has salaries there), he is PURPOSELY leaving out signing bonuses and LTBE bonues. The Patriots shelled out over $21 million in bonuses this year to its players. Yes, that's right. The team that only had $79 million in salaries, shelled out another 26.5% in bonus money. The Patriots were right at the cap. And for anyone, Borges or Upshaw, to be posturing like the Patriots aren't spending money is just a bold-faced lie.
Welcome to the world of union-management negotiations and the associated disinformation. The more you know personally about a field the more you'll disrespect the alleged 'journalists' who report on the so-called facts and events. I'm a science guy and have noticed this for decades. Disclaimer - there are always a few reporters who do a good job and are competent, but sadly, they're a minority.
PatsWickedPissah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2006, 08:30 PM   #9
Second Team and Threatening Starter's Job
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,406
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatsWickedPissah
Welcome to the world of union-management negotiations and the associated disinformation. The more you know personally about a field the more you'll disrespect the alleged 'journalists' who report on the so-called facts and events. I'm a science guy and have noticed this for decades. Disclaimer - there are always a few reporters who do a good job and are competent, but sadly, they're a minority.
very true.........
PatsWorldChamps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2006, 07:29 AM   #10
In the Starting Line-up
 
kurtinelson's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,344
My Mood: Psychedelic
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgcolby
I am developing a site to exploit all of his hacks. It is a work in progress, but within a few weeks it should be up to par with a decent amount of content. I have been working on it for a couple of weeks nearly non stop. The majority of that time has been spent getting familiar with Dreamweaver.

This is OT, but how is Dreamweaver? I was considering getting it myself.

Borges stinks
__________________
"Tonight a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl before the start of Super Bowl XXXVI


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
kurtinelson is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC