Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link) - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Five Thoughts On Tebow
'13 NFL Previews Are In
Tebow at QB? No Way

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-21-2009, 03:32 PM   #1
All Pro Poster
 
upstater1's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 11,802
Default Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

NFL Videos: Patriots 17, Bills 10

Go to 3:10 of the clip.

You'll see the first ref signal Patriots ball on the offside kick yesterday. The other refs signal Bills ball, and he just changes his mind. The guy has no idea.

OK, that's fine with me, but then I want to know why on certain plays the replay booth needs to be 100% certain so it can overrule the call on the field.

Sometimes refs guess, the booth should not take the guess as gospel.
upstater1 is online now  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 12-21-2009, 03:35 PM   #2
Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,177
My Mood: Mellow
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

Quote:
Originally Posted by upstater1 View Post
NFL Videos: Patriots 17, Bills 10

Go to 3:10 of the clip.

You'll see the first ref signal Patriots ball on the offside kick yesterday. The other refs signal Bills ball, and he just changes his mind. The guy has no idea.

OK, that's fine with me, but then I want to know why on certain plays the replay booth needs to be 100% certain so it can overrule the call on the field.

Sometimes refs guess, the booth should not take the guess as gospel.
Because guessing in real-time is a requirement sometimes. But to assume a guess on a replay I think is just wrong. I don't think there's any better way than to require conclusive evidence on a replay.
emoney_33 is offline  
Old 12-21-2009, 03:39 PM   #3
In the Starting Line-up
 
BradyBranch39's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: OH
Posts: 2,145
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

What bothers me the most is the inconsistency with which PI is called. I can't tell you how many times I've seen an obvious mugging go uncalled this year while minor contact draws a flag.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
BradyBranch39 is offline  
Old 12-21-2009, 03:43 PM   #4
In the Starting Line-up
 
NovaScotiaPatsFan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Patiently Waiting for the NFL to Overturn Superbowl 42
Posts: 2,051
My Mood: Devilish
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

I personally think you should be able to review anything that can physically be reviewed, it's not like coaches have unlimited challenges.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"DAMN IT!" - Rex Ryan


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
NovaScotiaPatsFan is offline  
Old 12-21-2009, 03:58 PM   #5
All Pro Poster
 
upstater1's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 11,802
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

Quote:
Originally Posted by emoney_33 View Post
Because guessing in real-time is a requirement sometimes. But to assume a guess on a replay I think is just wrong. I don't think there's any better way than to require conclusive evidence on a replay.
I think a replay guy, when told the ref just made up the call, should have the opportunity to make a ruling based on what he sees. Say, 85-90% certainty.
upstater1 is online now  
Old 12-21-2009, 04:07 PM   #6
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
reflexblue's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: East Cup Cake
Posts: 16,536
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

Quote:
Originally Posted by upstater1 View Post
NFL Videos: Patriots 17, Bills 10

Go to 3:10 of the clip.

You'll see the first ref signal Patriots ball on the offside kick yesterday. The other refs signal Bills ball, and he just changes his mind. The guy has no idea.

OK, that's fine with me, but then I want to know why on certain plays the replay booth needs to be 100% certain so it can overrule the call on the field.

Sometimes refs guess, the booth should not take the guess as gospel.
I had enough prof they make things up when Merriweather was flagged for taunting while laying flat on his belly after making a hit. If you recall he hadn't even started to get up when the cough.. ref threw the flag.
reflexblue is offline  
Old 12-21-2009, 04:40 PM   #7
In the Starting Line-up
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,867
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

Quote:
Originally Posted by emoney_33 View Post
Because guessing in real-time is a requirement sometimes. But to assume a guess on a replay I think is just wrong. I don't think there's any better way than to require conclusive evidence on a replay.

Agree 100%.

I don't know how adding guessing to system would make a system better anyway.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
brdmaverick is offline  
Old 12-21-2009, 04:46 PM   #8
All Pro Poster
 
upstater1's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 11,802
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

Quote:
Originally Posted by brdmaverick View Post
Agree 100%.

I don't know how adding guessing to system would make a system better anyway.
????????????????????????????????
upstater1 is online now  
Old 12-21-2009, 04:55 PM   #9
Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,177
My Mood: Mellow
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

Quote:
Originally Posted by upstater1 View Post
I think a replay guy, when told the ref just made up the call, should have the opportunity to make a ruling based on what he sees. Say, 85-90% certainty.
No ref in their right mind would admit to making it up. In theory you would think you could use a system where the ref says he isn't really sure, but too many "guesses" over the season may reflect poorly on a ref to the league. Thus the refs wouldn't be admitting their uncertainty. The way it is now works best IMO with regards to replay having to be conclusive. They certainly need to do something about the PI rules, and some of the other inconsistent wishy washy crap.
emoney_33 is offline  
Old 12-21-2009, 04:59 PM   #10
In the Starting Line-up
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,629
Default Re: Problems with replay and proof that refs just make things up sometimes (link)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyBranch39 View Post
What bothers me the most is the inconsistency with which PI is called. I can't tell you how many times I've seen an obvious mugging go uncalled this year while minor contact draws a flag.
Just make it a 15 yd/half the distance to the goalline penalty to mitigate the damage done by bad calls. This is the rule in college and you don't see defenders intentionally tackling receivers when beat.
letekro is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Today?s Schedule: Belichick and ?10 Things? link? Christopher_Price PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 0 01-21-2008 01:00 PM
No availability today ? link to ?10 Things? Christopher_Price PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 0 12-04-2007 11:20 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC