I want someone to explain to me IN DETAIL... - New England Patriots Forums

***KontradictioN*** · 10-20-2009, 07:03 PM

...our offensive system and why it is so hard for, not only rookies, but veterans to pick up as well. I know as much that our blocking schemes are pretty exotic due to our screen and quick pass game, but I want someone to fully break it down for me. There seems to be quite a few experts around here who seem to know our offensive system inside and out and I would greatly like for you guys to weigh. Tell me, in detail please, how New England's routes and blocking schemes are so totally different from every other team in the NFL and also how the schemes generate to the running scheme and quarterback position. I have a feeling that this is going to be a very informative thread...

robertweathers · 10-20-2009, 07:10 PM

Too lazy to type.

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Willie55 · 10-20-2009, 07:19 PM

I'm no expert but I think a lot of it has to do with the way the defense, more specifically the DB's, are positioned that determines which route is run in the passing game. Receivers like Moss and Welker are in-tune with Brady and know which adjustments have to be made just by looking at the defensive alignment. While others like Donald Hayes and others either don't get the concept or just aren't smart enough to know which adjustments to make and when.

***KontradictioN*** · 10-20-2009, 07:21 PM

As I understand, this system was just adopted by the Denver Broncos under McDaniels. So how is it that Brandon Marshall, who is as dumb as a rock, can pick it up lickety split while Joey Galloway, who isn't that dumb, cannot?

Nunchucks · 10-20-2009, 07:27 PM

They probably aren't asking Marshall to make all the sight adjustments that the Patriots WRs are being asked to make.

5 Rings for Brady!! · 10-20-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Willie55

I'm no expert but I think a lot of it has to do with the way the defense, more specifically the DB's, are positioned that determines which route is run in the passing game. Receivers like Moss and Welker are in-tune with Brady and know which adjustments have to be made just by looking at the defensive alignment. While others like Donald Hayes and others either don't get the concept or just aren't smart enough to know which adjustments to make and when.

Yeah it is a concept that makes the Pats defense more complicated as well, adjustments based on what you are seeing on the field. WRs need to make adjustments but at the same time they are running timing routes were Brady needs them to be exactly in one particular spot by the time the ball gets to them. Brady wants to be able to look in a different direction from his target until his mental clock goes off and then he wants to throw to a spot on some plays, and he needs the WR to be there.

It reminds me of Rodney Harrison trying to learn the five or six different spots you have to be in depending on what look you get from the offense, just very sophisticated stuff to get your average football player to absorb.

I get the feeling that BB/Brady would rather somebody do exactly what they are supposed to even when they can make a freelancing type play. Seems he really wants his guys disciplined. I think Brady would prefer a play run the right way than just a play, and probably many WRs think any play is a good play, whether the WR was in the 'spot' or not.

***KontradictioN*** · 10-20-2009, 07:39 PM

I appreciate all of your answers, but I'm asking for detail. So the receivers need to make adjustments. Cool. But what makes our offense's adjustments so different and more difficult to make? I see receivers from other teams make adjustments on the fly all the time. I see Steelers wide receivers make adjustments on the fly at least once a game every time I watch them. What makes our's so different?

***BradyFTW!*** · 10-20-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Willie55

I'm no expert but I think a lot of it has to do with the way the defense, more specifically the DB's, are positioned that determines which route is run in the passing game. Receivers like Moss and Welker are in-tune with Brady and know which adjustments have to be made just by looking at the defensive alignment. While others like Donald Hayes and others either don't get the concept or just aren't smart enough to know which adjustments to make and when.

That was more or less my understanding too. Moss spoken in the past about the things that he's expected to pick up on, and it gets really detailed. Like on some of their long TDs in 2007, Moss said that he identified that a safety had shifted his weight onto the back of his feet, based on which Moss changed on the fly to a deep route. Brady saw it too, and a TD resulted. The timing requires that both Moss and Brady independently observe it, and have enough faith in each other to know that the other one will see it too.

The bonus is that it punishes the absolute hell out of DBs that like to sit on routes and gamble, and when executed correctly is probably a lot of why Brady just doesn't throw interceptions. You can't 'guess right', because you (the DB) have to commit before they do. All teams do this to a degree, I believe, but I've never heard of anyone else doing it to that precise level of detail (doesn't mean it doesn't happen).

When I hear stuff like that, it makes some sense that a guy who maybe hasn't been asked to be that observant may either a) fail to identify these things or b) misidentify them. Some guys probably just can't pick all of that up in the heat of the moment. Moss and Welker definitely can, though. And once again, I can't say for sure that that's it- just my best guess.

Nunchucks · 10-20-2009, 07:49 PM

Its one thing to run a hot route, it is quite another to change a route on the fly based on how the DB is playing the WR and having the QB recognize that and throw the ball to the right spot.

alvinnf · 10-20-2009, 07:52 PM

They are called route tree. Each play called has a number of branches (routes) that can be run out of the same play. The branch you pick is determined by the defensive alignment you see. If you and or both you and the QB are'nt on the same page bad things happen. Now the problem with getting up to speed in this offense is, you need to be able to learn the material, get repsand gain confidence. Allot of times a lack of confidence or indecision shows up at game speed. You can't be thinking your way through it you just have to do it, and practice. Galloways problem wasn't comprehension it was fit. He just didn't fit what we were trying to do.