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Old 09-16-2009, 06:16 PM   #1
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I've spent some time travelling around the interwebz today getting a feel for what people think of the NY/NE matchup this week, and I have to admit I am getting excited.

Bill Simmons has gone from homer to being overly pessimistic, claiming that NY is the best upset outright winner this week. (click on the "Cousin Sal" podcast on the right hand side)

Chris Mortenson feels that NY is a legitimate threat not only in this game but for the division.

JetsConfidential is picking NY for the outright win.

Al Breer opines that Rex Ryan's defense might have NE's number.

Charles Robinson on yahoo.com feels that NY is going to be a playoff team and is a legitimate contender for the AFCCG. Additionally, he is yet another who feels NE's defense is a steaming pile of shiit.

The usually downtrodden tools over on theganggreen.com message board are brimming with confidence. Not exactly their default position heading into a showdown with the Patriots.

Hell, you would think NE lost by three touchdowns as much furor as there is on this site.

Now, what does all this remind me of?

hmmm.....

Oh yes, I remember. The week before this game. NE had just looked listless and uninspired against a pretty pathetic team. This pathetic team took advantage of a weakness most agreed could be a potential achiles heel for the Patriots. The Jets were coming off an impressive victory over a moderately well regarded opponent and appeared to have NE right where they wanted them.

The only thing was, they got their arses kicked.

NE was never in a weakened state, they simply had a bad game. Just like that long ago Miami loss on Monday night, other than a couple key mistakes, NE largely controlled the action. Sure, Matt Light looked like trash against Jason Taylor, but he always looks like trash against Jason Taylor.

Admittedly, the Pats played the underneath stuff horribly this past week. Superficially, Leon Washington looks like he is going to get at least 300 yards on screens and draws. But there was a reason the underneath was so open, NE used both safeties to double TO and Evans all game. Buffalo wisely just went were there was a lone defender trying to cover a lot of ground, and a backup lone defender at that.

But are the Jets anywhere near as much a threat on the outside? Doesn't it make sense that NE might just alter their defense a little to combat NY's primary assets, their RBs?

And as bad as NE's OL looked at times, NE still went up and down the field on Monday. The difference between their struggles to get to 25 points and them putting 40+ up was very small. Very small.

Unless you assume what we saw out of them two days ago was the best they've got, it is going to take a monumental defensive effort for NY to hold the Patriots under 20 points. Hell, even Ryan's 2007 Ravens that Breer mentions above allowed 27 points on a rainy, windy night. And that includes them mugging Welker on every snap and Watson dropping an easy TD.

Listen to this BB interview with the 2-6 boys over on WEEI starting at the 18:30 mark. Does he sound concerned to you?

BB all but comes out and says that NY didn't do anything impressive, it was just that Houston was completely inept. He appears to really be giving it to the Houston coaching for an idiotic approach to stopping NY's blitz. It reminds me of BB going out of his way prior to the 2006 AFCCG to show that Indy's defensive "improvement" was really a combination of poor coaching and execution by the opponents.

I will be shocked if NE puts up less than 24 points and I will be genuinely surprised if they don't slap a 30-spot on the board.

The last time NE lost to the Jets in NY was 2000. The Jets have snuck off with a W a few times this decade against the Patriots, but it was always in NE. The Patriots have owned the Meadowlands.

Forgive me if I am not cowering in the corner at the thought of the big, bad New York Jets.
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:19 PM   #2
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I've spent some time travelling around the interwebz today getting a feel for what people think of the NY/NE matchup this week, and I have to admit I am getting excited.

Bill Simmons has gone from homer to being overly pessimistic, claiming that NY is the best upset outright winner this week. (click on the "Cousin Sal" podcast on the right hand side)

Chris Mortenson feels that NY is a legitimate threat not only in this game but for the division.

JetsConfidential is picking NY for the outright win.

Al Breer opines that Rex Ryan's defense might have NE's number.

Charles Robinson on yahoo.com feels that NY is going to be a playoff team and is a legitimate contender for the AFCCG. Additionally, he is yet another who feels NE's defense is a steaming pile of shiit.

The usually downtrodden tools over on theganggreen.com message board are brimming with confidence. Not exactly their default position heading into a showdown with the Patriots.

Hell, you would think NE lost by three touchdowns as much furor as there is on this site.

Now, what does all this remind me of?

hmmm.....

Oh yes, I remember. The week before this game. NE had just looked listless and uninspired against a pretty pathetic team. This pathetic team took advantage of a weakness most agreed could be a potential achiles heel for the Patriots. The Jets were coming off an impressive victory over a moderately well regarded opponent and appeared to have NE right where they wanted them.

The only thing was, they got their arses kicked.

NE was never in a weakened state, they simply had a bad game. Just like that long ago Miami loss on Monday night, other than a couple key mistakes, NE largely controlled the action. Sure, Matt Light looked like trash against Jason Taylor, but he always looks like trash against Jason Taylor.

Admittedly, the Pats played the underneath stuff horribly this past week. Superficially, Leon Washington looks like he is going to get at least 300 yards on screens and draws. But there was a reason the underneath was so open, NE used both safeties to double TO and Evans all game. Buffalo wisely just went were there was a lone defender trying to cover a lot of ground, and a backup lone defender at that.

But are the Jets anywhere near as much a threat on the outside? Doesn't it make sense that NE might just alter their defense a little to combat NY's primary assets, their RBs?

And as bad as NE's OL looked at times, NE still went up and down the field on Monday. The difference between their struggles to get to 25 points and them putting 40+ up was very small. Very small.

Unless you assume what we saw out of them two days ago was the best they've got, it is going to take a monumental defensive effort for NY to hold the Patriots under 20 points. Hell, even Ryan's 2007 Ravens that Breer mentions above allowed 27 points on a rainy, windy night. And that includes them mugging Welker on every snap and Watson dropping an easy TD.

Listen to this BB interview with the 2-6 boys over on WEEI starting at the 18:30 mark. Does he sound concerned to you?

BB all but comes out and says that NY didn't do anything impressive, it was just that Houston was completely inept. He appears to really be giving it to the Houston coaching for an idiotic approach to stopping NY's blitz. It reminds me of BB going out of his way prior to the 2006 AFCCG to show that Indy's defensive "improvement" was really a combination of poor coaching and execution by the opponents.

I will be shocked if NE puts up less than 24 points and I will be genuinely surprised if they don't slap a 30-spot on the board.

The last time NE lost to the Jets in NY was 2000. The Jets have snuck off with a W a few times this decade against the Patriots, but it was always in NE. The Patriots have owned the Meadowlands.

Forgive me if I am not cowering in the corner at the thought of the big, bad New York Jets.
Oh those links are great. Got to give it to the mediots to sell there news to the masses. This should be a fun next few days up to Sunday.

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Gawd, I don't know if I'll b able to watch the game. Maybe BB should start and play Hoyer for the entire game.

I mean what would be the odds that we could go to NJ and win with a backup QB playing?
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I've spent some time travelling around the interwebz today getting a feel for what people think of the NY/NE matchup this week, and I have to admit I am getting excited.

Bill Simmons has gone from homer to being overly pessimistic, claiming that NY is the best upset outright winner this week. (click on the "Cousin Sal" podcast on the right hand side)

Chris Mortenson feels that NY is a legitimate threat not only in this game but for the division.

JetsConfidential is picking NY for the outright win.

Al Breer opines that Rex Ryan's defense might have NE's number.

Charles Robinson on yahoo.com feels that NY is going to be a playoff team and is a legitimate contender for the AFCCG. Additionally, he is yet another who feels NE's defense is a steaming pile of shiit.

The usually downtrodden tools over on theganggreen.com message board are brimming with confidence. Not exactly their default position heading into a showdown with the Patriots.

Hell, you would think NE lost by three touchdowns as much furor as there is on this site.

Now, what does all this remind me of?

hmmm.....

Oh yes, I remember. The week before this game. NE had just looked listless and uninspired against a pretty pathetic team. This pathetic team took advantage of a weakness most agreed could be a potential achiles heel for the Patriots. The Jets were coming off an impressive victory over a moderately well regarded opponent and appeared to have NE right where they wanted them.

The only thing was, they got their arses kicked.

NE was never in a weakened state, they simply had a bad game. Just like that long ago Miami loss on Monday night, other than a couple key mistakes, NE largely controlled the action. Sure, Matt Light looked like trash against Jason Taylor, but he always looks like trash against Jason Taylor.

Admittedly, the Pats played the underneath stuff horribly this past week. Superficially, Leon Washington looks like he is going to get at least 300 yards on screens and draws. But there was a reason the underneath was so open, NE used both safeties to double TO and Evans all game. Buffalo wisely just went were there was a lone defender trying to cover a lot of ground, and a backup lone defender at that.

But are the Jets anywhere near as much a threat on the outside? Doesn't it make sense that NE might just alter their defense a little to combat NY's primary assets, their RBs?

And as bad as NE's OL looked at times, NE still went up and down the field on Monday. The difference between their struggles to get to 25 points and them putting 40+ up was very small. Very small.

Unless you assume what we saw out of them two days ago was the best they've got, it is going to take a monumental defensive effort for NY to hold the Patriots under 20 points. Hell, even Ryan's 2007 Ravens that Breer mentions above allowed 27 points on a rainy, windy night. And that includes them mugging Welker on every snap and Watson dropping an easy TD.

Listen to this BB interview with the 2-6 boys over on WEEI starting at the 18:30 mark. Does he sound concerned to you?

BB all but comes out and says that NY didn't do anything impressive, it was just that Houston was completely inept. He appears to really be giving it to the Houston coaching for an idiotic approach to stopping NY's blitz. It reminds me of BB going out of his way prior to the 2006 AFCCG to show that Indy's defensive "improvement" was really a combination of poor coaching and execution by the opponents.

I will be shocked if NE puts up less than 24 points and I will be genuinely surprised if they don't slap a 30-spot on the board.

The last time NE lost to the Jets in NY was 2000. The Jets have snuck off with a W a few times this decade against the Patriots, but it was always in NE. The Patriots have owned the Meadowlands.

Forgive me if I am not cowering in the corner at the thought of the big, bad New York Jets.
not only a great thread,but a great analysis........The 2007 Ravens game is spot-on.....they totally mugged Welker and Watson and we still beat them.

Ryan* will single Revis on Moss and bring the heat,however,they have no answer for Moss over the middle or Watson/Baker.
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I've spent some time travelling around the interwebz today getting a feel for what people think of the NY/NE matchup this week, and I have to admit I am getting excited.

Bill Simmons has gone from homer to being overly pessimistic, claiming that NY is the best upset outright winner this week. (click on the "Cousin Sal" podcast on the right hand side)

Chris Mortenson feels that NY is a legitimate threat not only in this game but for the division.

JetsConfidential is picking NY for the outright win.

Al Breer opines that Rex Ryan's defense might have NE's number.

Charles Robinson on yahoo.com feels that NY is going to be a playoff team and is a legitimate contender for the AFCCG. Additionally, he is yet another who feels NE's defense is a steaming pile of shiit.

The usually downtrodden tools over on theganggreen.com message board are brimming with confidence. Not exactly their default position heading into a showdown with the Patriots.

Hell, you would think NE lost by three touchdowns as much furor as there is on this site.

Now, what does all this remind me of?

hmmm.....

Oh yes, I remember. The week before this game. NE had just looked listless and uninspired against a pretty pathetic team. This pathetic team took advantage of a weakness most agreed could be a potential achiles heel for the Patriots. The Jets were coming off an impressive victory over a moderately well regarded opponent and appeared to have NE right where they wanted them.

The only thing was, they got their arses kicked.

NE was never in a weakened state, they simply had a bad game. Just like that long ago Miami loss on Monday night, other than a couple key mistakes, NE largely controlled the action. Sure, Matt Light looked like trash against Jason Taylor, but he always looks like trash against Jason Taylor.

Admittedly, the Pats played the underneath stuff horribly this past week. Superficially, Leon Washington looks like he is going to get at least 300 yards on screens and draws. But there was a reason the underneath was so open, NE used both safeties to double TO and Evans all game. Buffalo wisely just went were there was a lone defender trying to cover a lot of ground, and a backup lone defender at that.

But are the Jets anywhere near as much a threat on the outside? Doesn't it make sense that NE might just alter their defense a little to combat NY's primary assets, their RBs?

And as bad as NE's OL looked at times, NE still went up and down the field on Monday. The difference between their struggles to get to 25 points and them putting 40+ up was very small. Very small.

Unless you assume what we saw out of them two days ago was the best they've got, it is going to take a monumental defensive effort for NY to hold the Patriots under 20 points. Hell, even Ryan's 2007 Ravens that Breer mentions above allowed 27 points on a rainy, windy night. And that includes them mugging Welker on every snap and Watson dropping an easy TD.

Listen to this BB interview with the 2-6 boys over on WEEI starting at the 18:30 mark. Does he sound concerned to you?

BB all but comes out and says that NY didn't do anything impressive, it was just that Houston was completely inept. He appears to really be giving it to the Houston coaching for an idiotic approach to stopping NY's blitz. It reminds me of BB going out of his way prior to the 2006 AFCCG to show that Indy's defensive "improvement" was really a combination of poor coaching and execution by the opponents.

I will be shocked if NE puts up less than 24 points and I will be genuinely surprised if they don't slap a 30-spot on the board.

The last time NE lost to the Jets in NY was 2000. The Jets have snuck off with a W a few times this decade against the Patriots, but it was always in NE. The Patriots have owned the Meadowlands.

Forgive me if I am not cowering in the corner at the thought of the big, bad New York Jets.
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I think the problem is, I need an angrier indian chief in my avatar. Then this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
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I think the problem is, I need an angrier indian chief in my avatar. Then this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
He is a bit stoic and nonthreatening, though his clearly penetrating wisdom and insight are a nice counterbalance.
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