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***mgteich*** · 09-12-2009, 07:29 AM

I agree. The most that would happen is that the patriots would need to send a letter. More importantly, the issue may be cleared up or put on a list of items to clarified in the new CBA.

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Originally Posted by patchick

I don't see that the grievance actually has anything to say about the trade at all. From what's been reported, nobody is claiming that the trade wasn't legitimate; it's a procedural matter about the 5-day letter.

In my non-professional opinion, it would be simply nonsensical for an arbitrator to rule that NEITHER team has the right to send a letter that is procedurally required. If they rule that Oakland may not send it, then New England must. This could help Seymour's attempts to slow the process to a crawl and piss everybody off, but it doesn't seem like a substantive change in a player's rights.

Gwedd · 09-12-2009, 07:32 AM

I just knew how this thread would go when it began with the words. "If The Globe Is Right..."

It's almost noon. Time to think about which beer goes best with a balogna sandwich..

***PatsFanSince74*** · 09-12-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pats1

A union victory in the grievance would not overturn the trade. It would only say that the Raiders can not send him a five-day letter.

right. it's only by extrapolation that the Globe suggests that this would lead to a series of events wherein the League would invalidate the Trade. IMHO, there is somewhere between .0001 and .001 probability that the League would do that (absent any unknown information and by definition absent Seymour's flunking the physical), since it would set a precedent that any star player with several years left in his career could bully the league into killing a deal he didn't like.

i don't know what the CBA says about "no trade" clauses, but this suggests that players who feel very strongly about being traded should make working them into their contracts part of their negotiating process. In fact, as I think about it, if there is a provision for a "no trade" clause being part of a contract and if indeed Seymour didn't get that included in his deal, then he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

***patchick*** · 09-12-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gwedd

Time to think about which beer goes best with a balogna sandwich..

Oscar Meyer can only handle a weak lager. If you have a hearty German or kosher bologna you may branch out into ales. If like my daughter you insist on soy bologna, you're stuck with O'Douls.

It's all in the CBA.

basement zombie · 09-12-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by patchick

Oscar Meyer can only handle a weak lager. If you have a hearty German or kosher bologna you may branch out into ales. If like my daughter you insist on soy bologna, you're stuck with O'Douls.

It's all in the CBA.

Classic!

NE39 · 09-12-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanSince74

right. it's only by extrapolation that the Globe suggests that this would lead to a series of events wherein the League would invalidate the Trade.

I am pretty sure that is a mute point as far as this trade is concerned. The NFLPA may still wish to grieve it, but with Seymour reporting and playing on Monday the trade is a done deal. No reversals now. No turning back.

Fencer · 09-12-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NE39

I am pretty sure that is a mute point as far as this trade is concerned. The NFLPA may still wish to grieve it, but with Seymour reporting and playing on Monday the trade is a done deal. No reversals now. No turning back.

One can only wish the point and all around it were mute.

However, we'll have to settle for it being moot.

Ice_Ice_Brady · 09-12-2009, 08:19 AM

Reasonable speculation.

Seymour filed the grievance Friday afternoon. By Friday evening he suddenly "found god" (god is a senile rat-like owner in Oakland.) It makes a lot of sense that, after filing the grievance someone in a high position told him he has virtually no chance to win this one, and his 5-day letter is in effect right now.

5 Rings for Brady!! · 09-12-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by betterthanthealternative

And a union victory in the grievance could overturn the trade (the logic of which I don't get, but that's another matter), and that takes place after Seymour practices and/or plays for Oakland, how does that work?

they are not right.

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 09-12-2009, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by patchick

Oscar Meyer can only handle a weak lager. If you have a hearty German or kosher bologna you may branch out into ales. If like my daughter you insist on soy bologna, you're stuck with O'Douls.

It's all in the CBA.

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