Sean Pa Patriot

These are the only reasons that are behind the seymour deal... The so called bandwagon people will say that Seymour has done nothing 06 was avg, missed half of 07 and was ok in 08... But he still one of the best, and Im still a little shocked that we wont be seeing Big Sey line up next mon night...


That said, lets look at why this deal had to happen.. You have 4 main people up for contract in the next 2 years.. Tom Brady, needs to get paid like he should , Logan Mankins also, and lets not forget Steven Ghostkowski, he also will be up at the end of the year... Vince Wilfork is key, but some thing tells me that he may not be here either next year.. I would hope the Pats resign him for 5 years, but his tone and the rumors that he was going to get shipped to Oakland first is something to watch over the next year..

I know we are not in the rebuilding mode, and the season is not over just because we lost Seymour, the team has alot of things coming up and just could not do justice to all...

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We going to take it one game at a time

ctpatsfan77

First off, Mankins and Gostkowski are certainly important, but, if there's no new CBA, then they're RFAs, and not UFAs, and I don't think anyone's going to cough up a first and third, or even a first, for Gostkowski. Mankins, maybe.

Also, the fact that the Patriots drafted three DLs suggested they were prepping for the possibility of Wilfork and/or Seymour leaving. Let's hope it's "or" and not "and."

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Marqui

Giving up both Seymour AND Wilfork?
Geezus

Sean Pa Patriot

The only reason I say that is Wilfork is not happy, he is coming to work,but not a happy camper from the sound of things.. He also wants prob Hayensworth money which he may not get.. Also lets not forget that maybee using that 2011 pick to move up in the 2010 draft..

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We going to take it one game at a time

DocE

An offensive guard is not a priority over a talented DT or DE. Wilfork and Seymour (provided you believe he's an excellent player, which I think is up for some debate) would be prioritized over Mankins.

slash83

I don't care how smart bb is, if the pats lose wilfork too they dropped the ball. One I agree with n understand but not both guys. The defense will suffer for years if both guys end up playing for a new team in back to back years. I would of been happy with either or, but if both are lost I wont understand or buy the reasoning behind it.

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SladeRider

I don't get it, can't they extend these guys without changing their salary cap hit this season?

And even if it changes, wouldn't is most likely be lower then what they get currently because they would be in the 1st year of their deal when it's at it's lowest?

And Seymour wouldn't make a difference anyway as his contract runs out, so when these guys are extended and are on the salary for next season and beyond. Seymour wouldn't be so there won't be any cap hit from Seymour when these guys have their contracts.

I just think it makes little sense in saying that Seymour was traded and it means we can extend these guys now.

DaBruinz

That's just it. From what I've read of the Wilfork comments, he doesn't want Haynesworth money and that's why he's irritated that nothing's been done. I like Vince, but lets get real, Haynesworth isn't worth the 14 million a year he's getting..

As for moving up in the 2010 draft, unlikely. Why? Because the Pats already have three 2nd round picks. If anything, I think we'll see the Pats ADD more picks to their stables because they'll want/need as many home grown players as possible going into 2011 because of the free agency rules that will hamstring them in 2010 if they win it all.

DaBruinz

The short answer is "That depends." With the caliber of players we are talking about in Wilfork and Manikins, you are talking about guys who are at or near the top of their positions in the league. That means they'll want a pay raise of some sort, including some or all of their signing bonus this year. Because of special rules in this being the last year of the Salary Cap, there is a 30% limit on how much a salary can increase from year to year.


No. In fact, in the case of Wilfork and Mankins, because they are both underpaid currently, their contract numbers would go up. Remember, when signing an extension, the new signing bonus amortization number gets added in. And, because of the 30% rule, the team would more than likely have to adjust this year's salary up so that the average salary comes out to what the player and team agreed to.

If the player signs an extension this year, and that extension includes a signing bonus paid out this year, then that signing bonus amortization goes against this year's cap.

If I might suggest, do a search on the NFL CBA in regards to the uncapped year. You can also go to Patscap.com as well.

Most of your understanding of the Salary Cap and the rules regarding the extensions signed in seasons prior to an uncapped year is based on a lack of information on your part. Once you have that understanding, it will make a lot more sense.

DaBruinz

And what if Vince and his wife decided that if they didn't get a contract extension done by September 1st 2009 that they would test the open market, regardless of how over the top their demands were? How is that BB's fault? Because his hands were tied by the CBA, a lack of funds available under the salary cap and Vince's over-valuation of himself.

The Pats extended Warren. They extended Kaczur. They've been trying to extend Vince for awhile, but we don't know what Vince's contract demands are and whether or not they are reasonable.

My gut tells me that Vince's demands are reasonable and that he's frustrated by the lack of progress on getting a deal done.

The Pats don't have a lot of free money currently. And they just signed Kendall Simmons to a contract (I've heard conflicting reports on the length of the deal). If Simmons signed for the minimum and no signing bonus, then he's only 450K gone. But if he didn't we could be talking about a million or more gone.