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AzPatsFan · 09-03-2009, 10:27 PM

Once again Bill Belichick has demonstrated that he is a draft guru, "par excellance". He picked up a forgotten and overlooked QB who had a mediocre college career,while playing on a poor team, and found the spark of a NFL caliber QB.

He has now found what appear to be three NFL QBs. For the grand total of a 6th, 7th round and now an UDFA, no pick at all. Meanwhile other teams bust consistently on First Round "Can't Miss", rookie phenoms, who nevertheless... do.

Brian Hoyer goes 18 for 25, and 242 yards, 1 TD and 0 INTs in his FIRST start. I'm glad to see him succeed, but with the cutting of Kevin O'Connell, a third round pick last week, that caused a stir throughout the league, and this performance, I fear it will be impossible to hide Brian Hoyer on the Practice Squad now. What a pleasant problem to have.

I was very impressed with Brian Hoyers POISE and composure when he played in the tail end of th Bengals game. He didn't produce gaudy stats; but he piloted and led the team from the moment he set foot on the field, in a totally unflappable way, a long time veteran would. Now this performance!

Do you think the perennial Belichick bashers like the capt and company will stop yelling about a wasted draft pick and or giving up on a guy too soon, for KOC? Probably not. But the second guessing by everyone else surely will.

Comments?

***Rob0729*** · 09-03-2009, 10:30 PM

Let's not go overboard. Hoyer played well in the last preseason game. This is the game where they play a lot of players for long stretches that are struggling to make the roster to showcase them. He performed well tonight, but there is no guarantee this guy will even make the team nevermind that he is a new diamond in the rough.

Didn't people talk this way about Matt Guiteriez too?

wdkantro2 · 09-03-2009, 10:33 PM

There have been countless guys who have played great in the 4th preseason game only to be a cut a few days later. Relax.

***Gwedd*** · 09-03-2009, 10:34 PM

It was a good game, and a good showing. I agree that he was head and shoulders above OC, but there is still a number of levels between Hoyer and Brady.

Still and all, it was a great game, and I have a higher confort level now.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 09-03-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Let's not go overboard. Hoyer played well in the last preseason game. This is the game where they play a lot of players for long stretches that are struggling to make the roster to showcase them. He performed well tonight, but there is no guarantee this guy will even make the team nevermind that he is a new diamond in the rough.

Didn't people talk this way about Matt Guiteriez too?

If you watched them both play you would know there is a clear difference. Gutz never had the poise.

This kid won't make the PS. I almost think BB left him in all game to send a big FU to all the KOC hysterics...

billdog3484 · 09-03-2009, 10:45 PM

have we forgotten about Kevin O'Connell already

***Rob0729*** · 09-03-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

If you watched them both play you would know there is a clear difference. Gutz never had the poise.

This kid won't make the PS. I almost think BB left him in all game to send a big FU to all the KOC hysterics...

We have seen Hoyer play one game in the fourth game. I think Belichick threw Hoyer in there to determine whether he needs to desperately scramble to find another veteran QB for a back up.

People said Gutz wouldn't make the practice squad last year and he was a street free agent the first week of the season. Did you see how well some other scrub QBs did tonight? John Beck had 232 yards, 2 TDs, and no INTs. Erik Ainge had 160 yards, 2 TDs, and no INTs. Great performance in the last game doesn't mean much of anything.

Everyone needs to calm down a bit.

PatsChamp88 · 09-03-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Did you see how well some other scrub QBs did tonight? John Beck had 232 yards, 2 TDs, and no INTs. Erik Ainge had 160 yards, 2 TDs, and no INTs. Great performance in the last game doesn't mean much of anything.

Everyone needs to calm down a bit.

You make a valid point, I think everyone is just happy to see a QB move the ball down the field thats not Brady especially after watching the KOC performances this preseason.

Patriot_in_NY · 09-03-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AzPatsFan

Once again Bill Belichick has demonstrated that he is a draft guru, "par excellance". He picked up a forgotten and overlooked QB who had a mediocre college career,while playing on a poor team, and found the spark of a NFL caliber QB.

He has now found what appear to be three NFL QBs. For the grand total of a 6th, 7th round and now an UDFA, no pick at all. Meanwhile other teams bust consistently on First Round "Can't Miss", rookie phenoms, who nevertheless... do.

Brian Hoyer goes 18 for 25, and 242 yards, 1 TD and 0 INTs in his FIRST start. I'm glad to see him succeed, but with the cutting of Kevin O'Connell, a third round pick last week, that caused a stir throughout the league, and this performance, I fear it will be impossible to hide Brian Hoyer on the Practice Squad now. What a pleasant problem to have.

I was very impressed with Brian Hoyers POISE and composure when he played in the tail end of th Bengals game. He didn't produce gaudy stats; but he piloted and led the team from the moment he set foot on the field, in a totally unflappable way, a long time veteran would. Now this performance!

Do you think the perennial Belichick bashers like the capt and company will stop yelling about a wasted draft pick and or giving up on a guy too soon, for KOC? Probably not. But the second guessing by everyone else surely will.

Comments?

No way Hoyer makes the practice sqaud after tonight. Yeah, it's game 4, but he did face starters in this game. Can't hide him now. I suspect he'll be on the Patriots. If we go for a legit #2 in a trade, then Walter will go first. Walter is a JAG, Hoyer has a huge upside to him, no sense dumping him. He needs time and he'll likely develop well. Looked great tonight. Very comfortable for a rook.

AzPatsFan · 09-03-2009, 10:56 PM

No there is a major difference. When Gutierrez was running about like headless chicken and sometimes completing passes,and sometimes INTs, and "making something happen", that meant nothing.

In Belichick's eyes, it showed a raw rookie, not a leader calmly in charge. Despite being put into a 3 TD hole, Hoyer didn't panic. He just unflappably and methodically tried to use the talent on the Team, that he was provided with, and move the ball. It took a while against the Giant first stringers who played for a series or two, while the Pats obviously didn't.

For the first half he looked like a fellow, Matt Cassel, or rather a spindly weaker-armed Brady in 2000. While today the Team only compiled a net total of 37 yards of Offense through almost the whole first half. But they had a TD to show for it, and the Giants hadn't scored since the opening minutes as he led the Pats into a game that he guided into a punting duel.

There is no similarity between Hoyer and Gutierrez. Brian needs another preseason under Woicik, and a camp or two under Belichick before he would be any where near qualified as a backup QB. Sort of like that Brady fellow in 2000, once again.