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***reflexblue*** · 08-15-2009, 05:25 PM

At the end of the second day of drafting i stepped out onto my deck and thought "man this could be one of the best drafts the Pats ever had, no one will be able to stop us". It started unraveling pretty soon with Jackson pulling his hamstring, and the other TE pick (can't remember his name) geting picked up by Minn.

Maroney looked like a real find he not only was running well and his kick off returns were great, I think he was close to if not leading the league. Then in OCT. or Nov. he took a nasty hit to the shoulder and was out the rest is history.

As far as this draft goes obviously only time will tell, but it does look a lot more promising than '06. All 4 second rnd. picks plus Pryor have played well. We can only hope it continues and no one gets injured.

As far as Casario goes i think its a little early in his carrer to say HE chose these players on his own, its never worked that way. When Pioli was he he and BB conferred on the choices and if there was a dissagrement they they tossed that choice aside and moved on to another another player. Who knows maybe BB, Casario, and Reese talk it over and and the majority rules we don't know.

I think that they still used material compiled by Pioli in this draft

JoeSixPat · 08-15-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

Guys... Something to remember is that Pioli had a big hand in this draft for the Pats...And I can guarantee you that Pioli used a lot of the knowledge that this scouting staff developed for him to make his picks in KC..

Caserio gets some Kudos, yes, but this was still, primarily, the draft of BB and Pioli..

You make a good point but I wouldn't go overboard on that either... Pioli's input in interpreting scouting reports and ranking players was probably significant... but come draft day when things are moving quickly and one's playing all sorts of player-poker Belichick and Caserio had to be pretty quick on their feet to make the moves they did and still have access to the players they wanted.

We can't give Pioli too much credit for that.

***jmt57*** · 08-15-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

At the end of the second day of drafting i stepped out onto my deck and thought "man this could be one of the best drafts the Pats ever had, no one will be able to stop us". It started unraveling pretty soon with Jackson pulling his hamstring, and the other TE pick (can't remember his name) geting picked up by Minn.

Maroney looked like a real find he not only was runing well but his kick off returns were great, I think he was close to if not leading the league. Then in OCT. or Nov. he took a nasty hit to the shoulder and was out the rest is history.

As far as this draft goes obviously only time will tell, but it does look a lot more promising than '06. All 4 second rnd. picks plus Pryor have played well. We can only hope it continues and no one gets injured.

As far as Casario goes i think its a little early in his carrer to say HE chose these players on his own, its never worked that way. When Pioli was he he and BB conferred on the choices and if there was a dissagrement they they tossed that choice aside and moved on to another sto another player. Who knows maybe BB, Casario, and Reese talk it over and and the majority rules we don't know.

Garrett Mills?

Yeah, as I recall the consensus right after that draft among not just Pats fans but the media as well was that the Pats had a great draft that year. Now for the last couple of years the same people use that very same draft as 'proof' that the Pats 'don't know how to draft'.

signbabybrady · 08-15-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

SBB- What crap? Or do you not understand that there is a difference between what the Director of Pro Personnel does what the Director of Player Personnel does?

The Director of Pro Personnel focuses on scouting other teams, potential free agents, street free agents and the moves that other teams make.

The Director of Player Personnel focuses scouting college players for the next draft and on doing the contracts for players.

BTW, I never said that Caserio had NO influence on the draft. I said I don't believe he had as much influence as Pioli did.

Instead of throwing a tantrum like you did, how about you work on your comprehension of what is being said.

You just ignored that he was director of player personel for more than year because it served your point that Pioli was more important.

Hey but whatever you say....lets start at the top with Chung and Casserio's comment that he was ready to run thru a wall when he interviewed this guy.....according to your thinking he was ready to run thru the wall because Pioli put together a pre combine draft board.

Caserio probably had as much to do with making a pre combine draft board as Pioli and he was around for everything else too. This pre draft combine would have been made with the info gathered by all the scouts and all the info would be passed onto Casserio and further up to Pioli. I am sure it is a work in progress but I would also imagine the scouts pass on more info from Bowl season so now we are in January when Pioli would than be out looking for his job with the chiefs which came a few weeks later. But in this short time (even going back to the end of regular college season) he took all the info passed on by the scouts and did more work with it than Casserio would at that time and moving forward to the draft.

You like to play semantics with words and terms to make your point but you ignore facts.

Bostonian1962 · 08-15-2009, 07:04 PM

I don't have a problem with you posting this, because all we can deal with is what we know to date. It's hard to argue that the early signs are very, very promising.

Nice post.

***reflexblue*** · 08-15-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jmt57

Garrett Mills?

Yeah, as I recall the consensus right after that draft among not just Pats fans but the media as well was that the Pats had a great draft that year. Now for the last couple of years the same people use that very same draft as 'proof' that the Pats 'don't know how to draft'.

Yes Garret Mills Minn grabed him and i remember BB being really upset with the Vikings for doing it. It seems that there is and unwritten rule about not touching someone elses practice squad players. That was the year Minnisota was on a roll and we flattened them something like 30-16.

amazinPats · 08-15-2009, 07:42 PM

I think there's enough credit to be shared by both Pioli and Caserio.

No doubt Pioli had already identified a bunch of players worth watching, but the team's picks bounced around on the draft board due to trades, and BB likely knew that Pioli would be equally interested in some of the players (Sea Bass, perhaps?) It may have lead to drafting a couple players ahead of their usual spot, but it is also possible that KC picked a couple of players that was in the Patriot's headlights as well.

In the end, kudos go out to BB and the management for grabbing what they did at the time that they did it. Pioli wasn't involved in that process.

I also think that it is sometimes easy to forget that BB is very creative in finding roles for later round prospects. I remember when all the pundits were expecting the Patriots to draft Pat White for his wildcat possibilities, but BB forges his own path. After Edelman becomes the next Wes Welker, all the teams will start combing the later rounds for similar players next year. BB is a trendsetter, as opposed to trend follower (as in a mandatory implement of a wildcat offense.)

Pioli did a lot for our team, but as long as we still have BB, I feel confident that we will continue to find good value in the later draft rounds.

PatsFanSince74 · 08-15-2009, 07:52 PM

...it is of course way too early to evaluate...and it would be prudent to wait to examine all of the...and who can tell at this stage of...blah blah blah...

what the heck...it's looking good so far to me...sign me up for the bandwagon...

***BradyFTW!*** · 08-15-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tombonneau

Yes, yes, I know it's very, very, very early, but please spare me the We-need-three-years-to-properly-evaluate-a-draft routine. Rather than post that kind of reply, instead please make a post on your evaluation and opinion of the 2006 draft (and enjoy the chirping of crickets

).

I just want to say with everyone questioning how the Pats would fare with Pioli, well, early returns say "Quite well, thank you very much."

The FO looks like they could be 4/4 in round 2 and might even have two very late round steals in Pryor and Edelman. A success by any measure.

Again, it's way to early to claim much of anything, just wanted to give some props to Caserio for what looks like a more than solid draft class.

Pioli didn't leave until after they'd done their pre-draft evaluations. This draft is still as much his as anyone's.

***BradyFTW!*** · 08-15-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by signbabybrady

See I dont see it as primarily on Pioli because of the way the scouting process works...I give credit to the Scouts and Casserio for being able to do their jobs despite their Boss moving on.

What and when would Pioli have helped us with this draft???....he never had a chnce in the offseason to do work on our draft...All he did to help this draft was help or lead in the scouting process through the year. he likely had very little to do with who was chosen out of the large pool of talent that he and the scouts kept their eyes on through last year. I am sure he helped narrow the list and focus it through the year.

Pioli gets credit for laying the foundation and process but he IMO couldn't have had that much to do with the actual players chosen.

True, but that's what the GM oversees in our system. Ernie Adams is the guy that actually runs the draft board.