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(Please note that I'm not asking this to bash Manning, or anyone else for that matter. I'm just trying to get a better grasp of the thinking behind the claim, since it's not just Colts fans who put this forth.)

On another thread, someone made an assertion that I see made quite a bit on message boards, radio programs and television, in one form or another:

That post brought to mind a question I often ask and never get a satisfactory answer to:

What "skillsets" is Manning better at than Brady?

Is Manning more accurate than Brady? His completion % overall is higher, but does it hold up when you adjust for conditions? What about once you adjust for receiver quality?

Is Manning's arm stronger than Brady's? If so, is the difference really enough to make a difference? Should the difference, if any, really be called a skillset?

Does Manning read defenses better than Brady? If someone says "yes", what's the evidence?

Is Manning a better leader of football players than Brady? Again, if someone says "yes", what's the evidence?

Is Manning better at maneuvering in the pocket?

Does Manning make better adjustments?


What skills does Manning have that are superior to Brady's, and what is the evidence for the claim? Anyone.....?

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BradyFTW!

He's demonstrably better at waving his arms around at the line of scrimmage, so there is that.

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aurakilla

he helps lead the colts to Ws all season..............then playoff time forgets how to throw the ball, except for 1 season.

nabwong

Couldn't you reverse this also? What evidence is Brady better than Manning? (don't say 2 more superbowls).

I just think that we can never quantify them. They're both great players. The patriots will always rather have Brady and the Colts will always rather have Manning. If Brady did not exist, we'd all want Manning to be our QB.

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jmt57

He is more skilled at letting everybody know he might be calling an audible.

He is more skilled at growing a forehead.

He is more skilled on SNL skits.

He is more skilled at Oreo licking competitions.

He is more skilled in communicating to the media that it was the offensive line's fault.

He is more skilled at Riverdance impersonations when there is pocket pressure.

Keegs

i wouldn't

id want big ben

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matt9071

Agreed although Brady did have a solid SNL appearance.

bagwell368

Manning plays in a dome. Manning has had on average the most expensive offense in the league since his 2nd year, and far better WR, TE, RB's to catch and run the ball then the Pats have had. Those two things account for Mannings better regular season stats - 25 ypg and 1.8 higher QB rating then Brady.

However, in the playoffs, he goes hysterical (see tape of Jan '04 and Jan '05 playoff games in Foxboro, loses his cool, demonstrates he isn't a leader, and his QB rating is 5 points worse then his regular season, while Brady's is better in the playoffs against better teams.

Brady has made far more out of what he has to work with in terms of skill players. He was a low draft pick, and his lifetime earnings are still well below Mannings in total and average by year. This allows the Pats to get more solid players to put around him, while Manning's Colts are built around 5-6 stars.

Manning wins the battle of commercials. Sadly for him the Colts are going into decline for the next 3 years at least, and by the time they come out of it, Manning will likely be done, or near done, no more SB for you!

feldspar

Well, Brady and Manning are both excellent QBs. You can argue which one is better until the moon goes down.

Manning, however, calls his own plays and does audibles...actually calls the shots a LOT more than Brady. Also, Manning hasn't had the benefit of a decent defense for much or most of his time in Indy. That's why Manning has had to shoulder the burden of his whole team in his time in Indy more than Brady has...a lot more, I'd say.

I figure Brady has had the benefit of a lot of things, including better coaching, something you shouldn't underestimate.

It would take me quite some time to consider which of these two I'd rather have on my team during his prime. But I'd have to go with Manning right now. Sorry, but he's much more accomplished. You can't pin the winning or losing of Super Bowls on one guy, so don't bring that up as an indicator.

Manning has NINE season of over 4,000 yards. His other two seasons were pretty close to 4,000...both under 300 yards to that mark. This is an incredible feat, folks. Meanwhile, Tom has had only TWO seasons of over 4,000 yards.

Brady fumbles the ball A LOT more than Manning...a lot more.

If you care about passer rating, Peyton's is higher than Tom's. His completion percentage is slightly higher.

Manning is less than a year and a half older than Brady, and Manning has...

19,128 more yards
136 more touchdowns

Manning has just done more...a lot more. Manning is probably the best pure passer I've seen. Not to put Brady down; he's damn good as well.

You asked, I told.

glm

So, how's Manning in the postseason?