TruthSeeker

The question is whether or not Manning does it better than Brady, not whether or not he does it more. I hardly think that Manning either calls his plays or audibles better than Brady.


Again, the question isn't whether he's had to shoulder more of the burden; the question is whether he is better at shouldering the burden than Brady. Based on their performances when they've actually had to shoulder the burden, I think Brady has clearly done the better job.

Again, the question isn't who has had what advantages; the question is who does the better job.


Certainly a factor to consider. But, on the other hand, you also have to consider

- what Manning was asked to do in the Colts offense (score, baby, score)
- what Brady was asked to do in the Pats offense (in 2007: score, baby, score. In other years, play more conservatively in order to maximize the chances of winning the game)
- the weapons each had (consistently better for Manning up until 2007)
- the field they've played on (turf vs. natural grass)
- the weather conditions they've played in (dome vs. New England weather conditions)
- Brady's performance when he actually had great offensive weapons (record setting season)

Taking everything into account, I don't see much difference. I think you could make an argument either way. Brady's 2007 season - including all the games in less than ideal conditions - is a very powerful statement that he may well have performed as well or better than Manning given the same circumstances as Manning. However, it was only one season that far surpassed his other seasons. But it was the only season he truly had weapons on offense that came close to matching what Manning has had his entire career.


I'll take your word for it. Good point.

As I mentioned in another thread, Manning has a lower rating on turf and a lower rating on grass. It is reasonable to conclude that he has a higher rating than Brady because he has played so much more on turf than grass. At any rate, I don't think QB rating significantly rates one over the other.

I'm sorry, age is supposed to matter? (as opposed to something like games played or passes attempted?) Your bias is showing...

I see you left out other relevant categories that don't favor Manning as much such as clutch play and playoff performances to name a couple. Also, to essentially ignore Championships in favor of offensive statistics (which are also produced by a team, not an individual) seems biased as well to me.

That would be Dan Marino for me.

Gunnails

It's a hell of compliment to both QBs to be compared to each other.

They are both Hall Of Fame bound, I say you could not go wrong with either in there prime.

aurakilla

we should do this by wins, and i think brady has more in less starts..........correct??

Patsfanin Philly

Let's compare apples to apples. Manning has played 11 season to Brady's 7 when you don't count 2008 (lost season) and his rookie year when he sat behind Bledsoe.
Compare season averages and Brady (outside with the likes of Reche Caldwell and journeymen until 2007) 3766 total passing yards 28.1/12.28 TD/int average 1 Int per 42.4 attempts...
MAnning with pro bowlers mostly (and indoors mostly) 4148 seasonal average 30/15 and 1 int per 36.1 attempts.

First round playoff games Manning 3-6
First round playoff games Brady 6-0......

feldspar

Meanwhile, here is Tom Brady's post-season history:

2001: threw one TD through three entire games along with 1 INT. Good completion percentage at 61.9%, but 2 of the three games saw him passing for under 150 yards. 77.3 passer rating. Not very impressive numbers, but it was his first year starting, and it got the job done, enough to flush out Bledsoe and his unprecedented $100 million contract.

2002 - didn't make the playoffs.

2003 - just OK in the first two games. Passer rating in the mid-seventies, 2 TDs, one pick, percentage of completions in the mid-fifties somewher... In the Super Bowl, he did very well, though...

2004 - Did very well statistically, although averaged less than 200 yards per game. He didn't throw a single pick through the three games, and had 5 TDs. Passer rating of 109.4. Very good, and nothing to complain about here.

2005 - did enough to win the first game...55.6% completions with 3 TDs and 0 INTs with a passer rating of 116.4, although he fumbled the ball twice with 0 lost. The second game, he gained 341 yards, but threw 2 picks as opposed to one TD for a passer rating of 74.

2006 - Brady was pretty mediocre in the post-season, all things considered. He was lucky to get past San Diego the way he was playing...the whole team got lucky there. 58.4% completions, 5 TDs to 4 INTs, and a 76.5 passer rating. Not bad for the playoffs, but not good enough.

2007 - Excellent first game, pretty bad second game, and mediocre third game. The point I want to make here is that, if any Pats fan thinks that Manning has ever "choked" in the playoffs, I can't see how they could ever say that Brady didn't "choke" in this playoff run. You simply can't have it both ways. This year, the Patriots had probably the best offense in league history, and they'd dominated teams like I'd never seen throughout the season. If you want to talk choke, look no further. Yeah, I know, I'm a "hater." But really, I'm making a valid point here if you can get past your emotions.

2008 - doesn't apply.

Dirk3601215

Epic failures.

2002-AT NYJ. Not in his warm, comfy little RCA dome. 0 TD's, 2 INT's, 31.2 QB rating. Not so good? More like terrrible.

2003-The first game he played was in the RCA dome. He plays good in the RCA dome because the weather is nice. The 2nd game was in KC, he played the 19th ranked defense in the NFL. 19th. That's not very good. Still, got to give credit to Peyton here. He played very good. Too bad he can't do it more often. The next game: epic failure. 1 TD. 4 INT's. QB rating under 50. Did I mention he had the 2nd best offense in the NFL during the regular season? Did I mention that it was snowing this game? Peyton can't play in bad weather.

2004-You're talking about his pro bowl that year...

In this post season, Peyton played 2 playoff games. 1 in his dome and 1 on the road. He played great at home, like always. He sucked on the road though, it was snowing. BTW, he had the 5th best offense of all-time and set an NFL record with 49 TD's during the regular season. But who cares? He couldn't get it done on the road, in the snow, when it mattered.

Was this when he threw his Oline under the bus after the game, or the year before it? I can't remember.

2005-against the Steelers. He was bad. He threw an INT to Polamalu that the refs completely missed (reviewed it) which almost lost the Steelers the game. Anyone remember that? One of the biggest blown calls in recent playoff history IMO. That would have all but ended the game and season for Indy. But the refs bailed Peyton out... again. This game was at home too. And he still didn't play well. Weird.

2006-Had 3 TD's and 7 INT's in 4 games. His team won despite him.

2007-Probably the only game he's played where it wasn't his fault they lost. He still had a chance to win it in the end though and he couldn't get it done.

2008-I remember that game. Manning should have been picked off like 3 times if it were not for SD having stone fingers. Peyton also had a chance to put the game on ice at the end of the 4th quarter. But he couldn't. He ended up losing in OT. What else is new?

You can have Peyton if you like. I'll take Mr. Brady instead.

ctpatsfan77

Percentage, not absolute.

Regular season:
Brady: 87 wins in 111 starts (.784)
Manning: 117 wins in 176 starts (.664)

Post-season:
Brady: 14 wins in 17 starts (.823)
Manning: 7 wins in 15 starts (.467)

Overall:
Brady: 101 wins in 128 starts (.789)
Manning: 124 wins in 191 starts (.649)

To put this in perspective, for Manning to have the same win %age as Brady, he'd have to win 33 consecutive starts.

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feldspar

OK, let's do that.

Over 11 seasons, Manning has had 52 fumbles with 17 lost

Over 7 seasons, Brady has had 65 fumbles with 29 lost.

Also, believe it or not, Manning has had 17 rushing TDs as opposed to Brady's 5.

Super Bowl wins aside, Manning is a much more accomplished QB than Brady. Take away Vin

feldspar

If you are going to twist it to look like Manning can't do anything outside of a dome or has never had a downright perfect playoff game, you are going to lose all of your credibility.

eagle eye

Tom Brady------------14-3 - 372-595, 3954 yards, 26 TD, 12 INT; 88.0 PR
Peyton Manning--------7-8 - 348-564 4208 yards, 26 TD 17 INT; 85.0 PR