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Old 02-15-2009, 08:15 PM   #11
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To me, it means we need a day 1 O-lineman.
Using one of our first 3 picks on a tackle would be fine by me.
Yep. I would not be disappointed if we actually used our first round pick on an O-Lineman to upgrade that left side.
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:36 PM   #12
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Somehow, I think that Belichick might have a better use for our first than upgrading the the three 2007 pro-bowlers on the left side of the OL wom Brady depended on to give us on of the best offenses in the history of the NFL, and a 16-0 regular season (and an 18-1 total season).

That being said, I have no problem with a guard if we do not expect to re-sign both Neal and Mankins.

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Not to be picky, but was there any original source information on that other board?
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Somehow, I think that Belichick might have a better use for our first than upgrading the the three 2007 pro-bowlers on the left side of the OL wom Brady depended on to give us on of the best offenses in the history of the NFL, and a 16-0 regular season (and an 18-1 total season).

That being said, I have no problem with a guard if we do not expect to re-sign both Neal and Mankins.
18-1 season. That's right. What was the main reason for that one loss? Better yet, what was the reason for the lack of offensive productivity up until the 4th quarter? 2007 will be two years old by the time this season rolls around. An upgrade with first round talent on the left side is not uncalled for (although I still wouldn't be disappointed if we pick linebacker because that's just as much of a need).
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18-1 season. That's right. What was the main reason for that one loss? Better yet, what was the reason for the lack of offensive productivity up until the 4th quarter? 2007 will be two years old by the time this season rolls around. An upgrade with first round talent on the left side is not uncalled for (although I still wouldn't be disappointed if we pick linebacker because that's just as much of a need).
The MAIN reason? There wasnt one. There were many resaons as to why they lost that game. The O-line sucking was only one reason. So don't start that crappy argument again.

Im' not a huge fan of the o-line, but i find it hard to believe that they turned to crap one season removed from being REALLY good. You cannot say that it was all Brady during the 07 season. There were times when they snapped the ball, Brady dropped back, called Gisele on his cell phone, waved to her on tv, and then launched the ball to Moss 80 yards down the field. There were alot of times that Brady just stood there thanks to great protection.

Now, as for last season. I don't get it. As some have pointed out, maybe they needed to get used to Cassel. All I know (being a casual homer fan) is that they looked aweful, then Neal comes back, and they start playing better. Linemen always say that its nice to have some stability on the line. Maybe it wasnt as much Cassel, as it was Neal. Not that that helps when he gets injured again. Either way, Im satisfied with our starters, just not the backups. Though I did like what i saw from Levoir when he was in.

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So, the concensus around here seems to be that we allowed a ton of sacks, but the o-line is pretty much blameless?
Just trying to understand.
If that is what you want to hear, yes... from my view, initially he shared some responsibility, but overall the unit played better as the year went on.. there is no exhoneration here, just the observation of a fan.
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I think we could actually use another center. I've seen Koppen get beat terribly a couple of times (J. Williams Chargers). He got pushed backwards a couple of times.

No matter how few sacks the right side has given up, we could still use some help there, though i think a day 1 pick is maybe not necessary.
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If that is what you want to hear, yes... from my view, initially he shared some responsibility, but overall the unit played better as the year went on.. there is no exhoneration here, just the observation of a fan.
Not having to play Yates was addition by subtraction.
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This is a subjective stat. Not to belittle Gross and Roos, they were on teams that ran more than others. There are too many variables to react to this. QB holding on to the ball, who they played during the year, and many others.

I'll stick with our tackles and our starting line. We need a healthy right guard and a better back up.
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To me, it means we need a day 1 O-lineman.
Using one of our first 3 picks on a tackle would be fine by me.
I agree with this 100%.

Prior to Tom getting hurt I was still pissed about the SB loss and the O-Lines obvious issues in that game, but thought we could get by - But now that Tom will be coming back from The Injury, I see protecting him as a Day 1 issue along with a younger faster D - and I put protecting Tom above the D, as we saw in 2007 - A healthy Tom with TIME is your best defense.
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