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Old 12-25-2008, 02:06 PM   #31
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IMO it sounds too risky to assume that it would work 1/4th of the time just based on those #'s. Especially like I said when teams will get to expect that it is coming and are better prepared for it. The onsides is done so rarely now that I don't think teams spend too much time on it. Think of the dynamics of recovering an onside kick, it is really a difficult play to execute as it is. Now when teams put extra time into preparing to defend it, makes it even more difficult.
Then do what the Dolphins did. Pick the toughest team you have week 1-3. Say Titans, Colts, Steelers, Chargers (which every one of those we got during week 1-3) and do it on every kick off (they won't be expecting it)

Then thereafter only do it every once in while - roughly once a game. Some games not at all some games up to twice. When you think they are not expecting it. Then even though you are not going to run the play that often the other team has to spend all week preparing for it.
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Old 12-25-2008, 02:17 PM   #32
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Then do what the Dolphins did. Pick the toughest team you have week 1-3. Say Titans, Colts, Steelers, Chargers (which every one of those we got during week 1-3) and do it on every kick off (they won't be expecting it)

Then thereafter only do it every once in while - roughly once a game. Some games not at all some games up to twice. When you think they are not expecting it. Then even though you are not going to run the play that often the other team has to spend all week preparing for it.
I think it's a good idea to come out and do it the first time you kick off in those games, definately. After it works once they'll catch on pretty fast though, so I wouldn't do it every kickoff. But yeah if you pick your spots right I could see doing it maybe 10-15 times or so over the course of the season. Thats assuming, of course, you don't have a great defense.
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We should try this our first playoff game.
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I think it's a good idea to come out and do it the first time you kick off in those games, definately. After it works once they'll catch on pretty fast though, so I wouldn't do it every kickoff. But yeah if you pick your spots right I could see doing it maybe 10-15 times or so over the course of the season. Thats assuming, of course, you don't have a great defense.
First game you use it do it every kickoff. Keep in mind your squad has been practicing it all preseason and all week and you will have 5-8 different variants in the playbook, they aren't going to be able to make "half time adjustments" just like we couldn't against the wildcat.

Then after that game you do it only once in a while.
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The data applies to very high scoring high school teams. I have no problem with that, the coach is successful. Its hard to correlate with a more defense oriented NFL. Doesn't mean you can't adapt and apply the principle to different data.
What works at one level (See Steve Spurrier's offense, quarterbacks and wide receivers) won't necessarily work at another (See Steve Spurrier's offense, quarterbacks and wide receivers). Therefore, while you could look at the data from high school or college, many times it's going to have very little translation to the NFL. That's why NFL teams aren't out there running the option, "Wildcat", single wing, etc... as main formations and styles. The days when such things were successful as staples in the NFL are gone.

Now, what you can do is look at the data from the lower levels (college, high school) and determine whether or not you think it's worth the time and effort to gamble on it in the pros. However, the data itself won't serve as any sort of definitive guideline. Just as an example, Tebow has had tremendous success in college, but I don't think either of us expects that NFL teams will be rushing to scrap their offenses and build around Tebow as a runner/passer in the spread formation.
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First game you use it do it every kickoff. Keep in mind your squad has been practicing it all preseason and all week and you will have 5-8 different variants in the playbook, they aren't going to be able to make "half time adjustments" just like we couldn't against the wildcat.

Then after that game you do it only once in a while.
Personal opinion, I'd like to hand you the ball and and make you go 80 yards every possession. Of course you'll get three or none sometimes.

Of course a horrible defense, or great offense, could change that.
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Of course a horrible defense, or great offense, could change that.
What if you have a mediocre mid field defense because of injuries and an inexperienced secondary, but an awesome red zone defense. Doesn't that kinda make where the other team gets the ball irrelevant. Because odds are they are going to get to the red zone one way or another if they have the ball, and the battle really becomes can you stop them when they get down there.
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What if you have a mediocre mid field defense because of injuries and an inexperienced secondary, but an awesome red zone defense. Doesn't that kinda make where the other team gets the ball irrelevant. Because odds are they are going to get to the red zone one way or another if they have the ball, and the battle really becomes can you stop them when they get down there.
Not at all. While the other team moves down the field small chunks at a time, the coaching staff compiles and analyzes tendencies.

Some years are better than others, but you might have noticed over many successful seasons and 3 SBs, the Patriots always seem to get their big plays, including sacks and interceptions, late in the half or the game.

They tend to give up yards, but not points, early. Funny how often that has happened over the years.

Plus, Those "total yards" don't count on the scoreboard.

And you're not required to defend the midfield. Starting from the 20, you can still allow a lot of yards before field goals are even possible.
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So... anyone think there will a load of squib kicks and "going for it on 4th" today w/ the wind being an issue?

Sure hope we win the coin toss.
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if we need to punt cassel can do it.
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