RichSeymour

LMAO! Nice....

Deus Irae

Well, all Lennon did was help lead the Beatles to the top of the music world. Boy George took a complete absence of talent, wrapped it up in a fat, flamboyant, homosexual bow and repeated the same line more than 30 times a song all the way to the top of the charts.

Advantage: kidnapper

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WhiZa

There has to be some rule on this forum where when a boy george image is posted the thread gets locked.

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Deus Irae

One can only hope

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TheGodInAGreyHoodie

How about instead ban the idiots who hijacked the thread, that was a serious and intelligent question because they personally don't like the thread.

billdog3484

is this thread a joke

Calciumee

Short Term - Samuel. Our pass defence is nothing special without him.

But long term - Brady. Good CB are hard to come by, but there are a few around, whereas with Brady, he is irreplaceable. There isn't another Brady.

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Dragda

See everyone? This is how you disagree without being a jerk about it. You don't have to be insulting to make a strong opinion.

PatsFan37

Take a close look at the games and see how many passes are thrown poorly or into traffic. Cassel is inconsistent on deep throws -- occasionally good but more frequently over- or underthrown. Last week on many plays there were receivers open for a first down (including Moss) and Cassel threw short to Welker in tight coverage.

Cassel is doing exceptionally well for a seventh-round pick in his first real time as a QB. Against a piss-poor pass defense like Seattle, he barely won, relying heavily on a single receiver. In the same situation, Brady would have been the target of articles on running up the score.

You forget how Brady reads the coverage, throws to the correct shoulder in-stride where only his receiver can get the ball. You forget how he audibles at the line to winning plays in the redzone. Would he have thrown 2 INTs and taken 2 strip-sacks against Pittsburgh in Gillette?

Samuel can frustrate a receiver. Brady can frustrate an entire defense. There's no comparison to how much each contributes to a win.

Sorry, this isn't about the thread police, the OP is nuts.

PatsFanSince74

Putting aside your snide comments about those who disagree with you, you say that you are asking whether the falloff from Tom Brady to Matt Cassel is greater than the falloff from Asante Samuel to Ellis Hobbs. ("This has to do with value loss at their respective position this year and the replacements this year..."). I just don't see how there is any rational discussion possible about the difference between going from a HOF QB (who is arguably one of the best to play that position in the history of the league) to a very competent first time starter and the difference between going from an exellent corner with many years experience to a solid corner who is not as experienced but who also helps the team with Kickoff returns (1,140 yards worth so far this year).

Looking for something objective on which to hang this opinion, I note that another poster has observed that without Brady, we have gone from an offense that produced nearly 37 points a game to one that produces 23 points a game. I checked, and we have also gone from the number one offense in the league to the 18th in terms of points scored, or a drop off of 17 places into the second tier of the league. On defense, we have gone from the number four defense to the number 14 defense in terms of points allowed, a drop off of "only" 10 places, but still in the top tier of the league.

I just don't see how there is any reasonable question about this and am amazed that I have taken the time to write this and that the thread itself is now on its fifth page--probably a reflection of the bad weather in New England and that a lot of folks are stuck inside.

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