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Old 11-25-2008, 09:03 AM   #1
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Default Patriots-Jets tiebreakers made easy

I thought this was going to be complicated but it's not.

Pats and jets split so head to head is out.

If the jets beat Buffalo and Miami, Jets win due to superior division record.

If it goes to the second tiebreaker (common games), Patriots win. Here's why. There are only two games for each team that do not involve common opponents: Cincinnati and Tennessee for the jets; Indianapolis and Pittsburgh for NE. Since the jets have already won both games and the Patriots have already lost to the Colts, the Patriots would have to have a better record in the remaining games (i.e., the games against common oppponents) under any scenario involving the second tiebreaker.
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so this reiterates the obvious we are routing for Dolphins and bills when they face the Jets again.
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I thought this was going to be complicated but it's not.

Pats and jets split so head to head is out.

If the jets beat Buffalo and Miami, Jets win due to superior division record.

If it goes to the second tiebreaker (common games), Patriots win. Here's why. There are only two games for each team that do not involve common opponents: Cincinnati and Tennessee for the jets; Indianapolis and Pittsburgh for NE. Since the jets have already won both games and the Patriots have already lost to the Colts, the Patriots would have to have a better record in the remaining games (i.e., the games against common oppponents) under any scenario involving the second tiebreaker.
Isn't Common games down the line one?? What about the conference record? The Jets have 1 against Den...while the Pats have 2, Pitts and Oak. (With ANother looko..and a correction...oops....common games is BEFORE conference.. SO the common opponenets would add in the NFC games as well as the other 4 AFC games from the West?? So would that mean if tied the Pats would win that tie breaker??

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Isn't Common games down the line one?? What about the conference record? The Jets have 1 against Den...while the Pats have 2, Pitts and Oak. (With ANother looko..and a correction...oops....common games is BEFORE conference.. SO the common opponenets would add in the NFC games as well as the other 4 AFC games from the West?? So would that mean if tied the Pats would win that tie breaker??
here are the divisional tiebreaking procedures:

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
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I thought this was going to be complicated but it's not.

Pats and jets split so head to head is out.

If the jets beat Buffalo and Miami, Jets win due to superior division record.

If it goes to the second tiebreaker (common games), Patriots win. Here's why. There are only two games for each team that do not involve common opponents: Cincinnati and Tennessee for the jets; Indianapolis and Pittsburgh for NE. Since the jets have already won both games and the Patriots have already lost to the Colts, the Patriots would have to have a better record in the remaining games (i.e., the games against common oppponents) under any scenario involving the second tiebreaker.
we must remember that at this time the Pats are 6-2 in common games and the jets are 5-2, but the Pats have 4 more comn games and the jets 5 more, so those records could change, we'll see, they both may end up tied. and then it goes to the conf record tie breaker . . .
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here are the divisional tiebreaking procedures:

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss

not to get off topic, but shouldnt this end all "running up the score" crying?
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It's still too early to worry about tie-breakers.
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we must remember that at this time the Pats are 6-2 in common games and the jets are 5-2, but the Pats have 4 more comn games and the jets 5 more, so those records could change, we'll see, they both may end up tied. and then it goes to the conf record tie breaker . . .
No, we don't have to remember that, when figuring tiebreakers. Zeus explained why (good post!).

We have already lost one of the two "not-common" games. The Jets have already won both. Therefore, if we end up tied with the Jets we *must* have the better record in common games.

Put the other way around: if we end up tied up common games, the tiebreaker is irrelevant since they finished one or two games ahead of us.
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Put the other way around: if we end up tied up common games, the tiebreaker is irrelevant since they finished one or two games ahead of us.
That is true....but I think it's good to see what COULD happen..with the Jets.. on the other hand..what happens if somehow the Jets, Pats and Fins all are tied with the same record?? (obviously it would depend on those last few division games..but??)
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not to get off topic, but shouldnt this end all "running up the score" crying?
lol, right
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