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Old 11-24-2008, 11:38 AM   #1
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The way teams are going up and down the field on the Pats, has been a bit hard to view. It makes me nervous about the team's chances as time goes on. It wasn't exactly Moss, Jerry Rice, and Tony Gonzalez carving up the Pats secondary the last couple of weeks.

Can it be fixed, and how? Does anybody have to be replaced? Could somebody currently out come back and be the answer? Will younger talent like Guyton, Merriweather, and Mayo improve the D, as they get some time under their belt?

I'm asking because, I don't know how things can improve in the short term. I could see a big boost come playoff time, if Thomas comes back, but short of that, I'm looking for some hope here.

Is their a reason for hope of improvment, or is the team going to have to put up mega-points every game?
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:07 PM   #2
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As long as they all eat a nice Thanksgiving meal, the D should be playing their best afterwards.
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If I see one more third and long converted I will just puke.....the pass D needs to be fixed and in a hurry. The pass D lost the game to the jests.
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The number of young players (who could improve) and the possible return of Thomas are the only reasons for hope I have.
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Are you suggesting that they get turned around from the top 1/3 of defenses (where they are) to the bottom 1/3 of defenses? Is the kind of turn around that you require?

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The way teams are going up and down the field on the Pats, has been a bit hard to view. It makes me nervous about the team's chances as time goes on. It wasn't exactly Moss, Jerry Rice, and Tony Gonzalez carving up the Pats secondary the last couple of weeks.

Can it be fixed, and how? Does anybody have to be replaced? Could somebody currently out come back and be the answer? Will younger talent like Guyton, Merriweather, and Mayo improve the D, as they get some time under their belt?

I'm asking because, I don't know how things can improve in the short term. I could see a big boost come playoff time, if Thomas comes back, but short of that, I'm looking for some hope here.

Is their a reason for hope of improvment, or is the team going to have to put up mega-points every game?
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I dont see it. If they are turned around, the offensive line will cream them in the back, and the secondary people will have a harder time picking up the receivers. I dont even want to think how it would effect the linebackers!
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A healthy Adalius makes a huge difference.

Or maybe Pierre Woods can progress as fast as Cassel is. It's not really that Woods is the problem though, he's played well. He's just not AD, and he doesn't have AD's uber-versatility.
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It's pretty simple, it's called a pass rush.

We can't generate pressure from the 4 guys we are sending, yes that's you Mike Vrable, you've lost a step. So what's the next alternative if you can't generate a pass rush with the core-4, simple, it's called getting creative and designing some disguised blitzes off the edge with a CB on either side or zone blitzes with the safties and LB's.

For the strangest reason, BB, Pees and co keep getting bashed over the head with these 3rd and longs. SEND THE HOUSE, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!! QB's are sitting back there finding wide open WR's on 3rd and longs because they're having cake and ice cream back there. C'mon Pees, let's start getting creative and get back to the old Patriot defenses who used to have those creative blitzes.
 
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If I see one more third and long converted I will just puke.....the pass D needs to be fixed and in a hurry. The pass D lost the game to the jests.
actually, special teams and a coin flip lost the pats game to the jets

the simple answer is no.........not this year........the pats are left without veteran bodies at OLB and in the secondary.......bad combo for trying to stop the pass........I think the best chance to succeed for this season is to start taking a few more chances on blitzes and man coverage by the corners
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I think it is reasonable to expect Mayo, Guyton, Wilhite, Richardson and Woods to improve as a group over the rest of the year.

It is also reasonable to expect some production from those returning or potentially returning from injury: Webster, Lew Sanders and Thomas.

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