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Old 10-27-2008, 11:56 AM   #21
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Post of the day, without a doubt.
Stupid post. What exactly does he disagree with in my post, or do you?

Just namecalling/trolling is all you're good for apparently.

Vrabel is old and feeble, he is near useless. Do you dare even TRY to REFUTE that? I think not.
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:58 AM   #22
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I agree, Vrabes as I have said before is on the Back 9. It's time to give Pierre Woods some of his game reps and think about saving that CAP hit next year. I agree.
Woods has been getting reps.. Watch the games.
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:59 AM   #23
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What about Gary Guyton or does he only play on special teams?
Guyton got reps yesterday as well.
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Vrabel is old and feeble. What's he signed through? Next year?

His salary is probably so low, it won't make sense to cut him.

Definitely need some new blood. Maybe BB's seeing Mayo and Guyton playing well has gotten him over his reluctance to draft a LB. That and the ABYSMAL record of drafting RBs and WRs. Those positions should be off the board; Belichick and Pioli are INCAPABLE of drafting there...they draft losers.

Draft where you have proven you have SOME ability, ie LB/OL/CB. I'll give them a pass on drafting Sanders b/c he was like a 5th round pick. So although he sucks, it doesn't indicate that they can't draft safeties.
The Pats have Woods and drafted Crable. Just because Crable hasn't been active doesn't mean he doesn't have ability. He was a DE in college and is learning the Pats OLB scheme. Give him time.

Sanders hardly sucks. Is he as good at reading plays as Harrison? Nope. But he's not abyssmal either.

I think you need to check your facts about what BB and Pioli have drafted for RBs and WRs. You sound ignorant otherwise. RB - Antwoin Womack (7th round pick), Cedric Cobbs (4th round pick), Laurence Maroney (1st round pick) WR - Deion Branch (2nd round pick), David Givens (7th round pick), Bethel Johnson (2nd round pick), P.K. Sam (5th round pick), Chad Jackson (2nd round pick).

Womack was coming off an injury and, as a 7th rounder and was destined for the IR. The Pats hoped he would be able to come back and be decent, but it was an easy gamble to make.'

Sam was the youngest kid drafted that year. He was very immature and shouldn't have entered the draft when he did. He could have used another year of seasoning in college, but there were rumors floating around that said that staying in college wasn't an option. He was another long shot pick.

Bethel Johnson was just a bad pick. The Pats reached for him and shouldn't have. They could have had Anquan Boldin, but for whatever reason, the Patriots didn't. Johnson had numerous injuries after he got here.

Jackson had the leg (hamstring?) injury that he rushed back from and got injured again in the process. When he came back, he went about earning his stripes on special teams coverage. It was then that he tore his ACL in the AFCCG against the Colts. People forget that its a 9-12 month recovery and 18 months before a person is fully healthy. That pretty much ruled out any return during his sophmore season that would have been productive. So, in his 2nd training camp, this year, he got beat out for the 3rd WR spot by Gaffney (who was going into his 3rd year in the system), the 4th spot by Washington (who turned into a special teams ace), and Aiken (who was brought in because he was a special teams ace). Jackson was behind the 8ball and the Pats were pretty much out of options. They couldn't afford to carry 6 WRs like they did last year and Jackson, though he was starting to show signs of improvement, wasn't able to show enough to beat out Gaffney.

Cobbs was drafted when the Pats already had 4 RBs on the team in Pass, Faulk, Rabih Abdullah and Dillon. Cobbs was the 32nd pick of the 4th round and was placed on the PUP/Reserve list in TC. Was activated and saw time in some games. Couldn't make the squad in 2005 when the Pats decided to go with just Faulk, Pass and Dillon out of TC. Of course, that bit them in the butt and resulted in them playing Mike Cloud, Amos Zereoue, and acquiring Heath Evans.

The Pats have hit on 3 of 7 picks. That's not bad at all. Next you are going to say they should draft TEs because they've only hit on 3 of 9. (Graham, Watson, Thomas, Stalcheski, Love, Holloway, Nead, Stokes, Mills)
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The Pats have Woods and drafted Crable. Just because Crable hasn't been active doesn't mean he doesn't have ability. He was a DE in college and is learning the Pats OLB scheme. Give him time.

Sanders hardly sucks. Is he as good at reading plays as Harrison? Nope. But he's not abyssmal either.

Oh, I agree with you. LB is one area where they have skill in drafting. That is when drafting within the first 5 rounds and not trying to get by on rejects like that guy from SMU.

It's only WR and RB where they should be forbidden from drafting at all. They have proven to be inept.
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Stupid post. What exactly does he disagree with in my post, or do you?

Just namecalling/trolling is all you're good for apparently.

Vrabel is old and feeble, he is near useless. Do you dare even TRY to REFUTE that? I think not.
People have already refuted the hell out of it. The defensive assignments are different week to week. Belichick has noted this 50,000 times throughout his career.
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The nickel package in the last game had 2 down linemen (Wright and Seymour; Wright seemed to be on a jailbreak every time he was in there, even if he did not record a sack himself) and a plethora of linebackers - Thomas would occasionally put his hand down, but Guyton, Mayo, and Vrabel seemed to be the other 3 on nickel situations. Thomas provides versatility in that you don't know where he's going to line up - he's a more athletic version of McGinest.
Agreed. I said a couple weeks ago AD is my defensive MVP on this team so far for his versatility. He allows them to do so much, and also lessens the impact of injuries b/c he can fill multiple roles.

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You haven't taken your analysis far enough my friend:
- Where "has" Adalius been playing on passing downs during the first quarter of the season?
- Who "else" has been playing where Adalius was and what was/is their experience level?
- Has there been any progress made that would allow Adalius to rush more often...which means a two-headed edge rush like when Colvin was playing across from Vrabes.
- And finally, does anyone think a pass rusher who was voted to the Pro-bowl after a double digit sack season just might draw more attention?


For scaryjane and her ilk, I'll provide some answers, please find an adult to read and explain them to you:
- Adalius has been playing "ILB" on passing downs in nickel and dime packages alongside "Mayo." Any lights going on? You know, like "rookie?" "Soft target" for experienced NFL QBs? Veteran "help" while the kid is learning? Not to mention "Guyton" has been taking more passing down reps and needed Adalius's "help" too.
- Mayo and Guyton are having the training wheels taken off and they are doing some X-games stunts already. This frees Adalius so Pees can send him to crunch the QB.
- Adalius is getting sacks because the blockers now have to protect a wider front with Vrabes and Sey/Vince/Ty/Jarvis/Wright/Le Kevin coming like wild men, not to mention Pees likes to blitz Guyton up the middle for a change of pace (remember the Denver 'int' gang?).
What do all those words have to do with the fact that whenever Vrabel rushes the QB, he doesn't ever get close to him, even when only blocked one-on-one? His days of being a pass-rusher worthy of respect, much less fear, are over. If Woods can show that he can properly hold the edge on runs, then he should start instead; Crable should be a game-day active (esp. with Jarvis still out), and Vrabel can rotate at ILB with Bruschi.
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He is playing a differnet side of the ball this year than he has. AD is playing on the LOLB and Vrabes is playing the ROLB. HE has always played on the LOLB position.

This has to have something to do with his lack of sack and pressure this year. Perhaps someone can explain the differences playing on the side he's playing this year.
i was thinking it was because of strong side weak side, but then i was thinking it might bebecause he's taller and seymour is taller so you ahve one side longer and taking the qb's vision away maybe. but then i also thought maybe it was to get seymour paired with vrabel and vice versa

good question for reiss
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