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Old 02-24-2013, 03:10 PM   #1
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I see so many posts wanting to pay Talib like a top corner, without any consideration to the risks.
It seems like everyone has overlooked a ton of off the field problems, a substance abuse suspension, and the fact that his team really didn't want him back last year. (He wasn't traded because a 4th was so valuable to a team fighting to make the playoffs in a new HCs first year)
I'll leave out the attitude rumors.

Why is everyone, well at least those in favor of a long term deal with big guaranteed money, so willing to overlook these risks, rather than either reducing the offer and structure to limit the teams exposure to them, or looking at a more stable corner to spend that money on?
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:24 PM   #2
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I see so many posts wanting to pay Talib like a top corner, without any consideration to the risks.
It seems like everyone has overlooked a ton of off the field problems, a substance abuse suspension, and the fact that his team really didn't want him back last year. (He wasn't traded because a 4th was so valuable to a team fighting to make the playoffs in a new HCs first year)
I'll leave out the attitude rumors.

Why is everyone, well at least those in favor of a long term deal with big guaranteed money, so willing to overlook these risks, rather than either reducing the offer and structure to limit the teams exposure to them, or looking at a more stable corner to spend that money on?
I'd be reluctant to commit to him. I know the secondary was clearly better with him there, but there's a lot to be worried about with him. I'd be leery of offering him anything long-term.
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Why is everyone, well at least those in favor of a long term deal with big guaranteed money, so willing to overlook these risks, rather than either reducing the offer and structure to limit the teams exposure to them, or looking at a more stable corner to spend that money on?
It might be due to the fact that we've been very weak at corner for so long, and folks will get kinda giddy when there's someone semi-competent in there. Also, what other FA CB is thought to be a better option?
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I don't think anyone wants to give him a deal that doesn't at lest try to protect the Patriots, but the fact of the matter is, we know his abilities, and we know how he fits in at least somewhat to this team, he's young, and he's indicated being amiable to staying here.

All the other names that have popped up are either old, coming off injuries, or salvage projects. The only other guy I personally would tolerate is Nmandi, and who even knows with him.
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The Patriots have been overachievers the past two years. It doesn't have the talent to compensate for injuries, and it wins so much because it puts in 99% effort in the regular season and plays with terrific schemes to mask its deficiencies.

But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
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I'd be reluctant to commit to him. I know the secondary was clearly better with him there, but there's a lot to be worried about with him. I'd be leery of offering him anything long-term.
Agreed. As a fan I'd be fine either way about this guy, especially considering recent reports about his allegedly spotty work ethic.
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He needs to prove he can stay on the field for a full season before signing him to a big, long term contract.

Where was he when the Patriots needed him most last season.... on the bench hurt.
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give him a long term contract...but don't pay him like a top 10 CB becasue in my eyes he hasn't proven it yet. Hurt all of last year. But i am not sure he will take that becasue he knows the pats need him.

Franchise him for 1 year and see where it goes. if they don't franchise him i think it is 100% gone and we will need to find another CB through FA. DRC and Grimes are my top 2 choices

I have been thinking about it as of late and i think he is gone. No way they pay him long term. Only thing i see is franchise him. If he is gone i guess we have to hope for a good CB in FA. If not we will be an early exit come playoffs becasue the secondary is still pretty bad.

it sucks that brady only has a few more solid years left and they are being wasted by the secondary among a few other things
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I see so many posts wanting to pay Talib like a top corner, without any consideration to the risks.
It seems like everyone has overlooked a ton of off the field problems, a substance abuse suspension, and the fact that his team really didn't want him back last year. (He wasn't traded because a 4th was so valuable to a team fighting to make the playoffs in a new HCs first year)
I'll leave out the attitude rumors.

Why is everyone, well at least those in favor of a long term deal with big guaranteed money, so willing to overlook these risks, rather than either reducing the offer and structure to limit the teams exposure to them, or looking at a more stable corner to spend that money on?
I'm not so sure I am. I guess I'd rather see them take a chance on a franchise tag commitment rather than a long term deal. the secondary did look a lot better with him in there than without. At least to my eyes anyway. Given his injury history in such a small sample it's scary actually to think of giving that much money to someone who hasn't proven himself elite. Just glimpses of being really good. It's certainly not a no brainer and a tough call I'm glad not to be a part of.
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I'm not so sure I am. I guess I'd rather see them take a chance on a franchise tag commitment rather than a long term deal.
All pats fans should want this over a long term contract. And talib would like it as well becasue that's a lot of $$ and more time to prove himself to other teams once he leaves.

but given his work ethic issues...the FO may have already said bye the the idea but we won't know until FA when he shops around as stupid teams like the bills will overpay for him
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Also, what other FA CB is thought to be a better option?
Once a month or so I see a comment that just jumps off the screen, so I will assume that you are joking here.
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